[That Guy]

i'm not a big fan of stealing liberties either, and we've seen poor oversight, excessive (and pointless) secretiveness (is that a word?) and it's really a shame that one day we're arbitrarily in a constant state of war and the government has the right to do whatever it wants without justification beyond "us vs them" fear mongering.

half of the "improved security" measures are completely worthless or worse. i mean, where are the watchdog groups? the checks and balances?

what i mean by worse than worthless - things like gitmo, which haven't revealed a whole lot, but has become a form of jihadist university doesn't really make us safer, and some of the "trials" were such a sham that the military officers charged with conducting them called time out... and we're not just talking one or two people.

</rant> sorry.