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SBXVII · 02-01-2009, 03:30 PM

I doubt the team will do it or call it, but "if" the team was truely about getting younger and decided to call it "Rebuild" time then I've seen some posts on other sites that make some sense.

dad23hogjrs
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

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Blow it up?

Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction"

ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info

Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap

Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap

Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up...

R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger

and my personal favorite:
"Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap

We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense.

You can't "Blow it Up" completely

why? because we laced the place with plutonium...

guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling

Springs - Saves 6M
Taylor - Saves 8.5M
M. Washington - Saves 4.5M
Griffin - Saves 3.62M
Rabach - Saves 2.35M
Daniels - Saves 2.3M

Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap.

Then someone came up with this nice idea.

DarthMonk
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

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Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:

1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.

2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.

"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."

Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).

I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get

1) 13 million of immediate relief

2) 30 million in space in 1 year

3) 4 more draft picks

4) younger

We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.

Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.

We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:

Alex Mack, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect

DarthMonk

Maybe it's possible maybe not I leave that up to you CAP guys but it seemed sound. I kinda liked the idea if we are going to say we are in rebuild mode.

02-01-2009, 03:30 PM	#11
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts I doubt the team will do it or call it, but "if" the team was truely about getting younger and decided to call it "Rebuild" time then I've seen some posts on other sites that make some sense. dad23hogjrs newbie Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 8 Location: Richmond, Va. Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Blow it up? Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction" ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up... R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger and my personal favorite: "Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense. You can't "Blow it Up" completely why? because we laced the place with plutonium... guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling Springs - Saves 6M Taylor - Saves 8.5M M. Washington - Saves 4.5M Griffin - Saves 3.62M Rabach - Saves 2.35M Daniels - Saves 2.3M Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap. Then someone came up with this nice idea. DarthMonk Hog Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 295 Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things: 1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year. 2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks. "Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four." Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch). I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get 1) 13 million of immediate relief 2) 30 million in space in 1 year 3) 4 more draft picks 4) younger We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year. Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper. We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out: Alex Mack, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect DarthMonk Maybe it's possible maybe not I leave that up to you CAP guys but it seemed sound. I kinda liked the idea if we are going to say we are in rebuild mode.