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Daseal · 12-07-2004, 06:58 PM

I guess Bellicheck's system doesn't work in the NFL either? I mean, he did worse in Cleveland than Spurrier did in Washington. Right? I think it's impossible to say if someone's system works or not without giving them proper time to implement it. I was equally mad with Spurrier at times last year as I am now, but like I've said all along every coach gets 3 years in my book. Does this mean I'm not allowed to criticize them for three years? Don't think so. Joe Gibbs had called the most conservative and timid games I think I have ever seen in the NFL and didn't have the balls to send it downfield at all. You cannot tell me that his playcalling before recent was timid and practically horrible.

If you look at my posts you'll see that I've said multiple times I think he'll turn it around. Not just in this thread but multiple others. You can also find me saying that it doesn't matter what I say about him because he's his own toughest critic. There's no doubt that the players respect him, but as Ive said before I haven't ever questioned that aspect of Joe GIbbs.

We've had to see what works and what doesn't eh? Did it take anyone on this board 8 weeks to realize Brunell doesn't work? Once we zoneblocked and started breaking off gains of 6-8 yards seemingly every play against a good front 4 in the Lions game then abandonned it next game fall in that category? Does abandoning the pass ever going to improve it? Goal line playcalling where we run three times up the middle and kick a field goal is not good playcalling. Sorry. We don't seem to have the ability to run it right up the gut in the redzone, we should try once, but never three times. We have seen many of the plays in the Giants game, the important thing about playcalling is the order they come in. Michael Wilbon, one of my favorite sports writter, has spent time in locker rooms. He said early in the season other teams knew what Joe Gibbs was doing, that's NOT good playcalling. Ladell Betts has always been a good runner, he's just gotten injured after week two. I still think he's going to be traded for a late round pick, but that's just my guess.

I agree with the last two paragraphs except I believe that we need to mix deep threat plays in even when we aren't completing them. At least it will make the coordinator think that only one of those could cause some real damage. One deep ball being caught is all it would take. It's not like Portis can run effectively with 9 guys in the box anyhow.

Skinsguy, an added bonus. You've been somewhat rude this entire time and completely unrelenting to concede your point at all. I started this thread saying that Joe Gibbs did a great job this week, and I admitted that he did an amazing job and said hope he can keep it up. You keep referring to Madden and other things. No one on this board is a coach, including you. Madden will probably be the closest anyone comes. As a fan, I have the right and ability to say what I feel the problem with the team is. If you take that away from fans all the Monday morning talk gets really old. Now, I'm not alone in my criticism of Gibbs' playcalling. The balance and timing of his plays this week were what won the game, not the plays themselves. I feel that helped, but he had balance which he's kind of avoided. He said we had to abandon the run getting down by 10 points in the first half once. 10 points is not exactly a lot of points. Even Greg Williams has shown frustration on the sidelines with the way Gibbs has managed a game. I guess he's too used to playing his madden and doesn't know football from his ass in the wall. Also, Portis and Ramsey talked to Gibbs about putting in more passing plays, they said it would help both of them be more successfull. That has to say something too.

JoeRedskin: That was the 3rd week we had that QB. =p

This is my last post on this topic. It was meant to be a congratulations post and me showing some optimism for Joe Gibbs, but you've ruined that.

12-07-2004, 06:58 PM	#36
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	I guess Bellicheck's system doesn't work in the NFL either? I mean, he did worse in Cleveland than Spurrier did in Washington. Right? I think it's impossible to say if someone's system works or not without giving them proper time to implement it. I was equally mad with Spurrier at times last year as I am now, but like I've said all along every coach gets 3 years in my book. Does this mean I'm not allowed to criticize them for three years? Don't think so. Joe Gibbs had called the most conservative and timid games I think I have ever seen in the NFL and didn't have the balls to send it downfield at all. You cannot tell me that his playcalling before recent was timid and practically horrible. If you look at my posts you'll see that I've said multiple times I think he'll turn it around. Not just in this thread but multiple others. You can also find me saying that it doesn't matter what I say about him because he's his own toughest critic. There's no doubt that the players respect him, but as Ive said before I haven't ever questioned that aspect of Joe GIbbs. We've had to see what works and what doesn't eh? Did it take anyone on this board 8 weeks to realize Brunell doesn't work? Once we zoneblocked and started breaking off gains of 6-8 yards seemingly every play against a good front 4 in the Lions game then abandonned it next game fall in that category? Does abandoning the pass ever going to improve it? Goal line playcalling where we run three times up the middle and kick a field goal is not good playcalling. Sorry. We don't seem to have the ability to run it right up the gut in the redzone, we should try once, but never three times. We have seen many of the plays in the Giants game, the important thing about playcalling is the order they come in. Michael Wilbon, one of my favorite sports writter, has spent time in locker rooms. He said early in the season other teams knew what Joe Gibbs was doing, that's NOT good playcalling. Ladell Betts has always been a good runner, he's just gotten injured after week two. I still think he's going to be traded for a late round pick, but that's just my guess. I agree with the last two paragraphs except I believe that we need to mix deep threat plays in even when we aren't completing them. At least it will make the coordinator think that only one of those could cause some real damage. One deep ball being caught is all it would take. It's not like Portis can run effectively with 9 guys in the box anyhow. Skinsguy, an added bonus. You've been somewhat rude this entire time and completely unrelenting to concede your point at all. I started this thread saying that Joe Gibbs did a great job this week, and I admitted that he did an amazing job and said hope he can keep it up. You keep referring to Madden and other things. No one on this board is a coach, including you. Madden will probably be the closest anyone comes. As a fan, I have the right and ability to say what I feel the problem with the team is. If you take that away from fans all the Monday morning talk gets really old. Now, I'm not alone in my criticism of Gibbs' playcalling. The balance and timing of his plays this week were what won the game, not the plays themselves. I feel that helped, but he had balance which he's kind of avoided. He said we had to abandon the run getting down by 10 points in the first half once. 10 points is not exactly a lot of points. Even Greg Williams has shown frustration on the sidelines with the way Gibbs has managed a game. I guess he's too used to playing his madden and doesn't know football from his ass in the wall. Also, Portis and Ramsey talked to Gibbs about putting in more passing plays, they said it would help both of them be more successfull. That has to say something too. JoeRedskin: That was the 3rd week we had that QB. =p This is my last post on this topic. It was meant to be a congratulations post and me showing some optimism for Joe Gibbs, but you've ruined that.