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firstdown · 07-07-2009, 09:53 AM

[quote=firstdown;565972]Obama's plan is allready working (well not working that good) in Massachusetts but when I posted this in another thread people who argue for un health care seem to ignore post like this. I guess its hard to argue against facts of how its not working in Massachusetts when the numbers show its actually driving up cost and is now more then private ins. Then you just need to take a look at Ca. and their 26 billion in dept from social programs just like this but why let facts get in the way.

The proponents of the Massachusetts reforms
also promised that those reforms would
reduce health care costs. Governor Romney
said that “the cost of health care would be reduced”
and the plan would make health insurance
“affordable” for every Massachusetts citizen.

27

Supporters suggested that the reforms

would reduce the price of individual insurance

policies by 25–40 percent.

28

In reality, insurance premiums rose by 7.4

percent in 2007, 8–12 percent in 2008, and are
expected to rise 9 percent this year.

29 By comparison,

nationwide insurance costs rose by

6.1 percent in 2007, just 4.7 percent in 2008,
and are projected to increase 6.4 percent this
year.

30 On average, health insurance costs

$16,897 for a family of four in Massachusetts,

compared to $12,700 nationally.

31

Boy that sounds just like what the Dems and Obama are saying right now.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp112.pdf

I know this was not the best copy and paste but for the people who feel so strong about goverment run ins. why do you think it will be any different in cost then what happened here. Then just name a large federal programe that is not over budget or running in the negative. I just think we aill have the same results as Massachusetts.

07-07-2009, 09:53 AM	#9
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: Obama Care [quote=firstdown;565972]Obama's plan is allready working (well not working that good) in Massachusetts but when I posted this in another thread people who argue for un health care seem to ignore post like this. I guess its hard to argue against facts of how its not working in Massachusetts when the numbers show its actually driving up cost and is now more then private ins. Then you just need to take a look at Ca. and their 26 billion in dept from social programs just like this but why let facts get in the way. The proponents of the Massachusetts reforms also promised that those reforms would reduce health care costs. Governor Romney said that “the cost of health care would be reduced” and the plan would make health insurance “affordable” for every Massachusetts citizen. 27 Supporters suggested that the reforms would reduce the price of individual insurance policies by 25–40 percent. 28 In reality, insurance premiums rose by 7.4 percent in 2007, 8–12 percent in 2008, and are expected to rise 9 percent this year. 29 By comparison, nationwide insurance costs rose by 6.1 percent in 2007, just 4.7 percent in 2008, and are projected to increase 6.4 percent this year. 30 On average, health insurance costs $16,897 for a family of four in Massachusetts, compared to $12,700 nationally. 31 Boy that sounds just like what the Dems and Obama are saying right now. http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp112.pdf I know this was not the best copy and paste but for the people who feel so strong about goverment run ins. why do you think it will be any different in cost then what happened here. Then just name a large federal programe that is not over budget or running in the negative. I just think we aill have the same results as Massachusetts.