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Originally Posted by NC_Skins
That offense won in a different era. One that had bypassed Joe a long time ago. We wouldn't have done any better with Joe calling the plays. As much as it pains Skins fans to say it, Joe was a failure his second go around regardless of those two meaningless playoff appearances. You can't be out of the league for that long and not lose something. What he did bring to this team was respect, hope, and leadership.
I don't believe Joe would "lie", but it's hard to be objective when you got people constantly kissing your ass, and that's exactly what people did.
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I strongly disagree that Gibbs II was a failure. If you base it on expectations & you thought he'd win a superbowl, then yes he was a failure. But if you simply judge those 4 years by a few seasons before him & a few seasons after him, you see that Gibbs brought this team the only success it's had in the past decade. You have to judge him relative to what he walked into, which was a total mess. If the organization was in better shape to begin, I think he would've taken us further.
Back to Vinny; we can only imagine what Gibbs II tenure would've been like if Vinny wasn't here. I can't claim to know how the power structure operated then, but what everyone says about Vinny is that he always looked out for himself. He couldn't have been good for Gibbs.