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Originally Posted by Schneed10
Dude, Vermeil won with the Rams. 1999 wasn't that long ago. He also took the Eagles there in 1980. Marv Levy, while he didn't win, went to the Super Bowl 4 years in a row. You don't have to be a stark disciplinarian to be successful.
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Yes, I forgot about the Vermeil 99 Rams..........my bad. And I'm not saying you have to be a stark disciplinarian.........but comparing tough coaches to coaches like Turner and Spurrier and even Vermeil and Levy? I think you'll find that letting players walk all over you hasn't yielded as many championships.
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On Tom Coughlin, I'd contend that being 5 minutes late to a mandatory meeting is a worse offense than staying home from a voluntary workout.
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Again you and I disagree on this, because I really don't think Strahan being 5 minutes late is worse than Taylor not showing up at all to OTAs and completely failing to return Gibbs's calls, but that's just me.
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I think you're letting your frustration over Taylor cloud your judgment. Not everything is going to be perfect. What would you have done about John Riggins when he held out in 1981? Players need good coaches, and coaches need good players. You have to strike a balance between maintaining order and control over your team, and keeping your players happy and interested in being Redskins for the long term. Gibbs is excellent at this, Tom Coughlin is not.
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Agreed, you need a balance. But where is the balance in not doing anything? Really, I'd love to hear some suggestions on what else Gibbs can do regarding Taylor's actions here? So far, there has been my idea, and there has been do nothing. I simply can't bring myself to believing that doing nothing is the way to go or that it will creat a balance of anything. Again it's just my opinion.
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If you've got a player who just doesn't want to be here at all, like Laveraneus Coles, then you should get rid of him. But Sean Taylor has just been avoiding Gibbs and the team activities at this point, he hasn't made it clear that he doesn't want to be here. So if he shows up to mandatory practices, works hard, and plays well during the year, there's no harm done. All I'm saying is don't hang the guy just yet. He hasn't had a negative effect on the team attitude yet, he hasn't become a cancer yet, he hasn't caused us to lose a game yet, and he hasn't undermined the respect players have for the coaching staff yet. Benching him to "send a message" (ooh, I'm shaking in my boots) will do nothing and is premature.
I'd rather see Gibbs worry about coaching the guys who are attending OTAs than worry about the guys who aren't there.
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Agreed, Gibbs should, and is, concentrating on coaching the players he does have. What I'm proposing takes none of his effort or concentration away from that. And I guess we will see if his actions so far have caused any controversies in the lockeroom if he ever shows up. As for his desire to be a Redskin? He hasn't shown me that in the least bit.
But I hear you..........I'm looking forward to his showing up for the mandatory stuff and I'm interested to see what kind of dynamic he has with the other players when/if he does show up. I hope that everyone will get along just fine and he picks up where he left off and he has a good excuse for Joe as to why he kept blowing him off. Hey, I'd love to be completely wrong here and have him show up without any ill-effects on his development or how the team/coaches view him. We'll see.