Free Agent WRs

[Sociofan]

Barring a trade, here are the guys expected to be available.


UFA’s

1)David Givens NE
2)Reggie Wayne Ind -- would like, but he wants to be a #1
3)Josh Reed Buf
4)Randy Hymes Bal
5)Antonio Bryant Cle --talented, but serious character/legal issues in past
6)Antwaan Randle El Pit
7)Eric Moulds Buf
8)Joe Jurevicius Sea
9)Peter Warrick Sea
10)Jabar Gaffney Hou -- maybe, but would need more end zone production
11)Rod Gardner Car
12)Corey Bradford Hou
13)Kevin Johnson Det
14)Peerless Price Dal
15)Dez White Atl
16)Koren Robinson Min
17)Quincy Morgan Pit
18)Az-Zhair Hakim NO
19)Tim Carter NYG
20)David Boston Mia
21)Ike Hillard TB
22)Troy Brown NE -- worth a thought
23)Tim Dwight NE
24)Jerome Pathon Atl
25)Charles Lee Ari
26)Marc Boerighter KC
27)Reggie Swinton Ari
28)Troy Walters Ind
29)Patrick Johnson Bal

RFA’s

1)Brandon Lloyd SF
2)Patrick Crayton Dal
3)Nate Burleson Min
4)Eddie Drummond Det-KR
5)Kevin Walter Cin
6)Shaun McDonald Stl
7)Willie Ponder NYG
8)Kevin Curtis Stl -- probably will NOT be let go by STL
9)Kelley Washington Cin
10)David Tyree NYG
11)Derick Armstrong Hou
12)Kaseem Osgood SD
13)Arnaz Battle SF -- hurt too often
14)Chris Horn KC
15)Bryan Gilmore Mia

Here would be my targets:

Givens: Averages 50-some catches a year with most of them for 1st downs and a respectable 3.9 YAC (to compare with Steve Smith @7.9 and Santana @7.3 this year) He's big, he's young, he's solid and he does not fumble. A good compliment to Moss.

Bradford: Perhaps the biggest project of my picks, but I like him because he finds the end zone. He's older (98 draft by GB). The Skins struggled close to the zone this year and he would be another big target to drive over the middle. He also comes up big on 3rd downs. 9/9 on conversions with a 22+ yard average on 3rd downs. He's never really found his groove in Houston and I think he could help for a few years.

Robinson: A lot has already been said here about Koren. It seems that maybe he has his priorities straight...finally. Maybe it's the fact that he is a dad now. If he does, then I'd love to see him in burgundy and gold. A pure talent. I don't need to elaborate.

Brandon Lloyd: I think this kid really emerged this year...his 3rd in the league. He's a blazer who's fumbled only once in 3 years. SF's lack of QB talent has hurt him over the past 3 years and I think he'd be a steal in the RFA market (cost=4th rounder)

Kevin Curtis: The guy is phenomenal but buried beneath Bruce and Holt. Played with Cooley at Utah State. Early in the season when he was getting starts because of injuries, he was posting very respectable #2 receiver stats. 60 catches, 801 yards, 6 TDs with about 2/3 of the season at the #2 spot (cost= 3rd rounder)

[offiss]

I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

What do you mean plenty of #2's? Last year Rod Gardner was the no. 2. The Panthers couldn't get rid of him fast enough this year. This year it was David Patten, who got hurt midway through the season but was still on pace for close to 50 receptions (his average).

Is Brunell responsible for TJ getting "hurt" all the time?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What do you mean plenty of #2's? Last year Rod Gardner was the no. 2. The Panthers couldn't get rid of him fast enough this year. This year it was David Patten, who got hurt midway through the season but was still on pace for close to 50 receptions (his average).

Is Brunell responsible for TJ getting "hurt" all the time?

Please, 50 catches? It was like he was none existant in our offense, all we heard is what's wrong with Patton? Now all of a sudden he's a big time almost 50 rec reciever? Almost? Theres a big deal. How bout factoring yards per catch and TD's why don't we. I really hope your not trying to compare his production with the Pats to what he did the first half of the season here?

The very fact that this thread was started should tell you what people's real feeling on Patton is, and if he was on pace or even close to duplicating for us before he was hurt, what he did for the Pats, we wouldn't have the entire board looking for a #2 reciever.

Kind of ironic how much Pattons talents diminished from a super bowl championship, to basically an after thought 9 months later, how, and why could that be?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Please, 50 catches? It was like he was none existant in our offense, all we heard is what's wrong with Patton? Now all of a sudden he's a big time almost 50 rec reciever? Almost? Theres a big deal. How bout factoring yards per catch and TD's why don't we. I really hope your not trying to compare his production with the Pats to what he did the first half of the season here?

The very fact that this thread was started should tell you what people's real feeling on Patton is, and if he was on pace or even close to duplicating for us before he was hurt, what he did for the Pats, we wouldn't have the entire board looking for a #2 reciever.

Kind of ironic how much Pattons talents diminished from a super bowl championship, to basically an after thought 9 months later, how, and why could that be?

He was on pace for 44. Exactly the amount of receptions he had last year as a Patriot. As I said in another thread (or maybe even this one), the concern was that the yards per catch had gone down. But maybe you, and others, should consider that he was hurt long before he went on IR, or his role here is that of a move-the-chains, possession receiver. Not a speedster who will fly down the sidelines.

I had high expectations for Patten and was disappointed with the season he had overall. But I think it's way too naive and early to say he is a total bust and it's mainly attributable to the fact he's no longer a Patriot

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

He was on pace for 44. Exactly the amount of receptions he had last year as a Patriot. As I said in another thread (or maybe even this one), the concern was that the yards per catch had gone down. But maybe you, and others, should consider that he was hurt long before he went on IR, or his role here is that of a move-the-chains, possession receiver. Not a speedster who will fly down the sidelines.

I had high expectations for Patten and was disappointed with the season he had overall. But I think it's way too naive and early to say he is a total bust and it's mainly attributable to the fact he's no longer a Patriot

Perhaps he was relagated to a possesion type reciever because Brunell couldn't reach him downfield?

Hurt? OK, it seems everytime a Skin fails he's hurt, Brunell doesn't suck he was hurt. Everytime somebody stinks up the joint and he's a hand picked big contract player he's hurt. I am tired of the excuses, especially when the player themselves say they are not hurt, ALA Brunell, and Lavar.

Personally I don't believe Patton is a bust, he's proven, the fact that Brunell couldn't get him involved is not his fault, Brady never had that problem.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by offiss

I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

Well there are many reasons that any of these guys could do well!! First off the 2# WR isn't a elephant grave yard in Gibbs O. It was this year because we had no one to play it! In past Gibbs O there have been great #2 like Charlie Brown,Clark and Sanders. But you have to have players to take that spot and we had nothing!!! The fact is Jacobs is not that good and a mistake pick!!!! :smashfrea He comes out of a program that made him look better then he is. But you never know about WR's sometimes they take awhile to get it! As for Patton that also was a reach! :frusty: If the right players are picked up you will see that the Gibbs O will be a good one! :headbange

[offiss]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Well there are many reasons that any of these guys could do well!! First off the 2# WR isn't a elephant grave yard in Gibbs O. It was this year because we had no one to play it! In past Gibbs O there have been great #2 like Charlie Brown,Clark and Sanders. But you have to have players to take that spot and we had nothing!!! The fact is Jacobs is not that good and a mistake pick!!!! :smashfrea He comes out of a program that made him look better then he is. But you never know about WR's sometimes they take awhile to get it! As for Patton that also was a reach! :frusty: If the right players are picked up you will see that the Gibbs O will be a good one! :headbange

We can't really judge what Gibbs did in the past, to the current NFL, as for Patton being a reach, how so?

Better yet why did we sign him? What was the reasoning, as well as Pattons credentials for us to go out and give him a nice contract?

[Dana87]

:yeahright

Originally Posted by offiss

I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

I'm glad you put some thought into this before you just starting bashing the QB that got you to the playoffs for the first time since '99 and a scheme that has had some of the great 1-2 punches in the league... Charley Brown, Art Monk...Gary Clark, Art Monk... Nice Job! :yeahright

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Dana87

:yeahright
I'm glad you put some thought into this before you just starting bashing the QB that got you to the playoffs for the first time since '99 and a scheme that has had some of the great 1-2 punches in the league... Charley Brown, Art Monk...Gary Clark, Art Monk... Nice Job! :yeahright

What do the 80's have to do with today?

Take a good look at those players they were all brought in by Bobby Beathard.

Do you understand that the NFL and defenses are far different now than they were in the 80's?

You do know Gibbs was out of football for 12 year's? It is very difficult to be what you once were with age, let alone taking 12 years off away from the game. There is no way Gibbs could be in tuned to what is going on with personel in college or the NFL that only comes with time.

And just for the record Patton would have flurished in the 80's in that system as well. So to compare the 2 just doesn't wash.

The biggest knock on Gibbs since he has come back is his inability to catch his offense up with today's defenses. But the best job Gibbs has done is hired Williams to run the defense, because without a top dominating defense we are horrible, even with an average or decent defense we get lambasted this past season, we went to the playoffs because our defense carried us there, end of story!

[celts32]

Originally Posted by offiss

What do the 80's have to do with today?

Take a good look at those players they were all brought in by Bobby Beathard.

Do you understand that the NFL and defenses are far different now than they were in the 80's?

You do know Gibbs was out of football for 12 year's? It is very difficult to be what you once were with age, let alone taking 12 years off away from the game. There is no way Gibbs could be in tuned to what is going on with personel in college or the NFL that only comes with time.

And just for the record Patton would have flurished in the 80's in that system as well. So to compare the 2 just doesn't wash.

The biggest knock on Gibbs since he has come back is his inability to catch his offense up with today's defenses. But the best job Gibbs has done is hired Williams to run the defense, because without a top dominating defense we are horrible, even with an average or decent defense we get lambasted this past season, we went to the playoffs because our defense carried us there, end of story!

This is a little harsh. It was not all Greg Williams. Joe Gibbs was never all about X's & O's...he is a leader of men. He gets them to believe and play harder for him than they woluld anyone else. He envigorated the entire organization with a winning attitude. If it was all defense than why didn't spurrier win with the excellent defense that Marvin lewis built for him? Joe Gibbs has turned everything he touches into a winner. Greg Williams in Buffalo was a failure as a head coach even with one of the best defenses in the league. No doubt Greg Williams is a great defensive coach...but it was Gibbs who built the winning foundation and reinstilled the pride in being a Redskin.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by celts32

This is a little harsh. It was not all Greg Williams. Joe Gibbs was never all about X's & O's...he is a leader of men. He gets them to believe and play harder for him than they woluld anyone else. He envigorated the entire organization with a winning attitude. If it was all defense than why didn't spurrier win with the excellent defense that Marvin lewis built for him? Joe Gibbs has turned everything he touches into a winner. Greg Williams in Buffalo was a failure as a head coach even with one of the best defenses in the league. No doubt Greg Williams is a great defensive coach...but it was Gibbs who built the winning foundation and reinstilled the pride in being a Redskin.

Very good reply, I agree that Gibbs organizational skills are probably maybe the best ever, I also agree that had a big part in the turn around of the team.

But I do disagree with the Lewis analogy, our defense under Lewis although ranked in the top 10 stat wise, never really could stop anyone when it counted, Lewis is not in the same league as Williams defensivly, not even close.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

What do the 80's have to do with today?

Take a good look at those players they were all brought in by Bobby Beathard.

Do you understand that the NFL and defenses are far different now than they were in the 80's?

You do know Gibbs was out of football for 12 year's? It is very difficult to be what you once were with age, let alone taking 12 years off away from the game. There is no way Gibbs could be in tuned to what is going on with personel in college or the NFL that only comes with time.

And just for the record Patton would have flurished in the 80's in that system as well. So to compare the 2 just doesn't wash.

The biggest knock on Gibbs since he has come back is his inability to catch his offense up with today's defenses. But the best job Gibbs has done is hired Williams to run the defense, because without a top dominating defense we are horrible, even with an average or decent defense we get lambasted this past season, we went to the playoffs because our defense carried us there, end of story!

Our defense was very instrumental in getting us to the playoffs. But the offense didn't just sit on its ass all season. There are still some kinks to work out (as with any team) but to still say that Gibbs' offense hasn't caught up to today's defenses is, well to be blunt, idiotic. It's so idiotic, it's Offissotic (that was mean I know, but damn funny if I may say so myself).

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Our defense was very instrumental in getting us to the playoffs. But the offense didn't just sit on its ass all season. There are still some kinks to work out (as with any team) but to still say that Gibbs' offense hasn't caught up to today's defenses is, well to be blunt, idiotic. It's so idiotic, it's Offissotic (that was mean I know, but damn funny if I may say so myself).

HMMMmm, so what do think happened to our offense our last 3 games?

How's the counter trey been working out?

I do beleive we set a record in futility against Tampa for offense for a winning team in the playoffs, Tampa is not the 85' bears are they?

When was the last time we saw an offense that fultile during Gibbs first tenure?

Your more than welcome to prove your point.

I guess when J. Jansen said last year we were running an outdated offense he had it all wrong.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by offiss

I beleive Patton would have been high on that list if he was still with New England, what makes anyone think that any of these guy's will flurish as a #2 in our offense, our offense is like the elephant graveyard for #2 WR's this is where they come to never be heard from again, whether it's Brunell or the offensive scheme take your pick, but spending big money on a high profile WR, to have him run sprints in practice, and play an apparent decoy in the games is a waste of money.

I wont argue the fact that maybe Patten is best as a #3 reciever, but we have had plenty of #2's and Brunell hasen't been able to hook up with any of them.

I wonder how T. Jacobs would be doing if he played in New England, he actually reminds me of David Givens a bit, without the QB of coarse.

Jacobs would have three catches for 13 yards and only played 2 games due to injuries an illness.