KW - The Chosen One

manicd · 05-17-2004, 04:45 AM

Well, Winslow already stated we will pay for not picking him. Whatever. Lavar is going to be at Weakside LB, Right? As a D coordinator, how do you play this guy. I know he hasn't done anything in the NFL yet, but we all know the last couple years against big TE (Shockey), we give up some big plays. Although not a divison rival, I would hate to see this jackass have his day. How do you play against this guy. SkinsNCane, obviously looking for some feed back from you.

joecrisp · 05-17-2004, 07:13 AM

With Sean Taylor, maybe they could just play him man-up with Winslow, with some linebacker help, perhaps?

BleedBurgundy · 05-17-2004, 07:51 AM

I don't know, he is a soldier after all... However we play him, I think it's safe to say we might be doing a little headhunting against Cleveland...

Drift Reality · 05-17-2004, 09:31 AM

I believe that in a cover 1 defense, one of the safeties will be assigned to cover Winslow - in which case I'm sure it will be Taylor, who apparently can cover like a cornerback.

If we go to a cover 2, Winslow will probably be running routes in the flat - where he'll be in the cornerback's zone, or in the middle of the field - where he'll be in the strongside linebacker's zone. In this case, the goal would probably be to keep him in front of the defense, and then hit the crap out of him when he catches the ball.

Greg Williams is an aggressive coordinator though. I'm sure they'll find a way to blitz on the strongside to the point that the Browns will start thinking about keeping him in a bit more than usual.

SKINSnCANES · 05-17-2004, 11:21 AM

It depends how they line up. If they flank him as a receiver then you need to put Taylor on him, he'll out run a linebacker and push over a corner. Taylor can cover like a corner but hes also a big guy. If he lines up as a TE then see if its a run or pass play by having a LB watching him first, then Taylor keeping an eye out for him. Id give him the underneath pass with a LB on him. Winslows problem is he has been known to fumble, and he hasnt had anyone like Lavar hit him yet so we'll see what happens.

PSUskinsfan11 · 05-17-2004, 12:14 PM

I say we ask Syracuse since there AMAZING D held him to 1 catch for 6 yards

MTK · 05-17-2004, 12:22 PM

Let LaVar and Taylor shadow him all day, I'm not even worried about him at all. Drift makes a good point, blitz his side and make them keep him in to block.

Defensewins · 05-17-2004, 12:42 PM

If Lavar plays the weakside LB, then it will be Washington covering him.
Who cares how well WWII does as long as we win the game. That will diminish his play, regardless of how good or bad it will be. If he starts running his mouth about his great play afer the game, all you do is point to the scoreboard.
We should not get overloaded to his position. Otherwise we will give up a big play to someone else. We need to play a regular balanced D. Put a LB on him with safety help over the top. But that safety should not be commited to just helping out on WWII.

Drift Reality · 05-17-2004, 01:16 PM

Nickel defense - We could always take Barrow out, and put one of the defensive backs in to cover Winslow in a cover 1 scheme.

BleedBurgundy · 05-17-2004, 02:43 PM

How athletic is Marcus Washington? I understand he's supposed to be a fast guy... With our talent on defense (aside from the d-line), I don't think we should have to bring in a different set to defend against Soldierboy.

JoeRedskin · 05-17-2004, 02:49 PM

Can someone tell me where the "I am a soldier" quote came from? Seen it attributed to KW in a couple of places (including the extremeskins video) but never seen the context in which KWII said it. It sounds fairly assinine and I just wanted to see if it was as bad as it looks. Just curious.

BleedBurgundy · 05-17-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Can someone tell me where the "I am a soldier" quote came from? Seen it attributed to KW in a couple of places (including the extremeskins video) but never seen the context in which KWII said it. It sounds fairly assinine and I just wanted to see if it was as bad as it looks. Just curious.

Against Tennessee, he layed someone out with a block and then taunted them for it. After the game, he said he was being singled out by the officials and offered the following nugget of wisdom:

"It's war," Winslow said Saturday, his voice raised in the locker room. "They're out there to kill you, so I'm out there to kill them. We don't care about anybody but this U. They're going after my legs. I'm going to come right back at them. I'm a ... soldier."

JoeRedskin · 05-17-2004, 02:59 PM

Thanks BB. I thought it was related to the draft. Not quite as assinine as I originally thought, but still a little extreme.

BleedBurgundy · 05-17-2004, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Thanks BB. I thought it was related to the draft. Not quite as assinine as I originally thought, but still a little extreme.

Taken alone, no it's not that extreme. But when viewed in the context of hundreds of real soldiers, the kind that get killed, then it takes on a whole new level of absurdity.

JoeRedskin · 05-17-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

But when viewed in the context of hundreds of real soldiers, the kind that get killed, then it takes on a whole new level of absurdity.

Absolutely. Don't get me wrong - I thought the statement was originally related to his negotiations with the Browns which would have made it incredibly, incredibly moronic. Relating it to a game situation merely makes it incredibly moronic.

05-17-2004, 04:45 AM	#1
manicd Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 155	KW - The Chosen One Well, Winslow already stated we will pay for not picking him. Whatever. Lavar is going to be at Weakside LB, Right? As a D coordinator, how do you play this guy. I know he hasn't done anything in the NFL yet, but we all know the last couple years against big TE (Shockey), we give up some big plays. Although not a divison rival, I would hate to see this jackass have his day. How do you play against this guy. SkinsNCane, obviously looking for some feed back from you.

05-17-2004, 11:21 AM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	It depends how they line up. If they flank him as a receiver then you need to put Taylor on him, he'll out run a linebacker and push over a corner. Taylor can cover like a corner but hes also a big guy. If he lines up as a TE then see if its a run or pass play by having a LB watching him first, then Taylor keeping an eye out for him. Id give him the underneath pass with a LB on him. Winslows problem is he has been known to fumble, and he hasnt had anyone like Lavar hit him yet so we'll see what happens. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

05-17-2004, 12:42 PM	#8
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	If Lavar plays the weakside LB, then it will be Washington covering him. Who cares how well WWII does as long as we win the game. That will diminish his play, regardless of how good or bad it will be. If he starts running his mouth about his great play afer the game, all you do is point to the scoreboard. We should not get overloaded to his position. Otherwise we will give up a big play to someone else. We need to play a regular balanced D. Put a LB on him with safety help over the top. But that safety should not be commited to just helping out on WWII. Last edited by Defensewins; 05-17-2004 at 01:22 PM.

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05-17-2004, 07:13 AM	#2
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,501	With Sean Taylor, maybe they could just play him man-up with Winslow, with some linebacker help, perhaps?

05-17-2004, 07:51 AM	#3
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	I don't know, he is a soldier after all... However we play him, I think it's safe to say we might be doing a little headhunting against Cleveland...

05-17-2004, 09:31 AM	#4
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I believe that in a cover 1 defense, one of the safeties will be assigned to cover Winslow - in which case I'm sure it will be Taylor, who apparently can cover like a cornerback. If we go to a cover 2, Winslow will probably be running routes in the flat - where he'll be in the cornerback's zone, or in the middle of the field - where he'll be in the strongside linebacker's zone. In this case, the goal would probably be to keep him in front of the defense, and then hit the crap out of him when he catches the ball. Greg Williams is an aggressive coordinator though. I'm sure they'll find a way to blitz on the strongside to the point that the Browns will start thinking about keeping him in a bit more than usual.

05-17-2004, 12:14 PM	#6
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	I say we ask Syracuse since there AMAZING D held him to 1 catch for 6 yards

05-17-2004, 12:22 PM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Let LaVar and Taylor shadow him all day, I'm not even worried about him at all. Drift makes a good point, blitz his side and make them keep him in to block.

05-17-2004, 01:16 PM	#9
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	Nickel defense - We could always take Barrow out, and put one of the defensive backs in to cover Winslow in a cover 1 scheme.

05-17-2004, 02:43 PM	#10
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	How athletic is Marcus Washington? I understand he's supposed to be a fast guy... With our talent on defense (aside from the d-line), I don't think we should have to bring in a different set to defend against Soldierboy.

05-17-2004, 02:49 PM	#11
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Can someone tell me where the "I am a soldier" quote came from? Seen it attributed to KW in a couple of places (including the extremeskins video) but never seen the context in which KWII said it. It sounds fairly assinine and I just wanted to see if it was as bad as it looks. Just curious.

05-17-2004, 02:59 PM	#13
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Thanks BB. I thought it was related to the draft. Not quite as assinine as I originally thought, but still a little extreme.

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