Gibbs vs. Coughlin

Dave Butz Baby! · 06-10-2004, 02:33 PM

Banks and King debate who will succeed faster, Coughlin or Gibbs. I'm not surprised King picked Coughlin over Gibbs. That toolsack.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ugh/index.html

Hogskin · 06-10-2004, 02:41 PM

I agree!!! King is (and always has been) a complete waste as a reporter. But I do have to agree with one thing he said. Coughlin will have a huge immediate impact on the Giants. He will be head coach when they get the NUMBER ONE PICK in next year's draft. How can anyone be expecting good things from that sorry team in this tough division?

UH-OH - This just in... Bad news for Coughlin: That pick was traded to SAN DIEGO. So he will be getting the #1 pick for the CHARGERS!!! LMAO

MTK · 06-10-2004, 03:07 PM

The Giants are already whining about Coughlin they haven't even gone to training camp yet. Add in the fact that veteran players were upset with Collins being dumped and it sure sounds like a recipe for success to me.

cpayne5 · 06-10-2004, 03:37 PM

Just take a look at the atmospheres that surround each team. They could not be more opposite.

Skins: All the players are psyched and ready to get this thing going.
Giants: The players are dreading mini-camps!

EEich · 06-10-2004, 04:29 PM

You may be reading too much into this... I don't see King bashing Gibbs in this article... he says that he believes that Gibbs will win the Superbowl during the second reign. He's talking about immediate impact.

I don't think King thinks that Gibbs won't have an impact next year... just that Coughlin will have a bigger one. Face it, Fassel lost his team last year...the Gints definitely needed a spanking and Coughlin carries a well-worn strap. I think they probably had better all-around talent... heck they had just been in the Superbowl.

I'm not so sure that the overall improved talent level on the Redskins will have more of an impact than Gibbs' coaching. We may actually have the personnel to have a top 5 running game this year. We have more experience at QB. Granted we made the roster changes to fit JG's plan.

By the way... they were both probably assigned to write different sides of the same story... the subject matter may not have been King's choice.

memphisskin · 06-10-2004, 05:15 PM

I think Banks nailed this one, the Skins have not lacked talent, they have lacked direction and leadership. Our last coach entered the league needling a coach about his work ethic, and our team never really believed in him. With a head coach who would rather work on his handicap than on a gameplan, it's no wonder it didn't work.

Gibbs is not going to let anyone outwork him, not anyone. Gibbs gets guys to buy into his system, and his system (unlike SS) works in the NFL. Coughlin may make the G-men tougher, but Gibbs will make the Skins tougher, smarter, and more successful.

Big C · 06-10-2004, 04:53 PM

Each coach is very good. but if you look at the resume of both, who comes out on top, easily? Gibbs. who has a more talented team? Gibbs. This pick should easily be Gibbs.

SmootSmack · 06-10-2004, 05:07 PM

I don't really know how Coughlin is going to help the Giants. The players were upset with Fassel because he was too much of a hard-ass apparently so they replaced him with another hard-ass?

And it's not like they're bringing in someone with a much better track record. Fassel and Coughlin have very similar career coaching records and Fassel has been to the Super Bowl, not Coughlin

EEich · 06-10-2004, 05:29 PM

I disagree. The Redskins started last season with Trung at RB and a rookie at QB. There aren't very many coaches that will win with that combo.

memphisskin · 06-10-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EEich

I disagree. The Redskins started last season with Trung at RB and a rookie at QB. There aren't very many coaches that will win with that combo.

It was SS that sold us on Trung being the answer over Davis, and Ramsey was drafted on his watch. I may dislike Danny, but a coach says go get someone and he does go get them, whatever the cost. Trung and Ramsey, not a rookie last year by the way, those were on SS.

EEich · 06-10-2004, 06:01 PM

I realize that it was Spurrier's fault... but the bottom line is that he thought he could win with a system and not talented players. They didn't have the talent last year. Wuerffel was not a talented player and he would not have helped their cause.

Ramsey had started 6 or 8 games prior to last year... that's still a rookie in my warped world.

memphisskin · 06-11-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EEich

I realize that it was Spurrier's fault... but the bottom line is that he thought he could win with a system and not talented players. They didn't have the talent last year. Wuerffel was not a talented player and he would not have helped their cause.

Ramsey had started 6 or 8 games prior to last year... that's still a rookie in my warped world.

Spurrier thought his guys were talented, and most of the Gators just weren't. Maybe his system would have worked, but SS didn't work hard enough to do that. I hated Schottenheimer, but SS made me long for the days of Tony Banks and the "half-field read".

EEich · 06-10-2004, 06:37 PM

Ramsey started 5, played 10.

Big C · 06-10-2004, 11:32 PM

Coughlin also inherited an Expansion team, and got them to the playoffs fast. You cant compare Fassel and Coughlin by sayin well fassel went to the SB, cuz fassel inherited a team that was already made...

SmootSmack · 06-10-2004, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

Coughlin also inherited an Expansion team, and got them to the playoffs fast. You cant compare Fassel and Coughlin by sayin well fassel went to the SB, cuz fassel inherited a team that was already made...

that's a really good point, see that's why I love this site.

06-10-2004, 02:41 PM	#2
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	I agree!!! King is (and always has been) a complete waste as a reporter. But I do have to agree with one thing he said. Coughlin will have a huge immediate impact on the Giants. He will be head coach when they get the NUMBER ONE PICK in next year's draft. How can anyone be expecting good things from that sorry team in this tough division? UH-OH - This just in... Bad news for Coughlin: That pick was traded to SAN DIEGO. So he will be getting the #1 pick for the CHARGERS!!! LMAO __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

06-10-2004, 03:37 PM	#4
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Just take a look at the atmospheres that surround each team. They could not be more opposite. Skins: All the players are psyched and ready to get this thing going. Giants: The players are dreading mini-camps! __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

06-10-2004, 05:07 PM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I don't really know how Coughlin is going to help the Giants. The players were upset with Fassel because he was too much of a hard-ass apparently so they replaced him with another hard-ass? And it's not like they're bringing in someone with a much better track record. Fassel and Coughlin have very similar career coaching records and Fassel has been to the Super Bowl, not Coughlin __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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06-10-2004, 02:33 PM	#1
Dave Butz Baby! Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reston, VA Age: 54 Posts: 450	Gibbs vs. Coughlin Banks and King debate who will succeed faster, Coughlin or Gibbs. I'm not surprised King picked Coughlin over Gibbs. That toolsack. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ugh/index.html __________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

06-10-2004, 03:07 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	The Giants are already whining about Coughlin they haven't even gone to training camp yet. Add in the fact that veteran players were upset with Collins being dumped and it sure sounds like a recipe for success to me.

06-10-2004, 04:29 PM	#5
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	You may be reading too much into this... I don't see King bashing Gibbs in this article... he says that he believes that Gibbs will win the Superbowl during the second reign. He's talking about immediate impact. I don't think King thinks that Gibbs won't have an impact next year... just that Coughlin will have a bigger one. Face it, Fassel lost his team last year...the Gints definitely needed a spanking and Coughlin carries a well-worn strap. I think they probably had better all-around talent... heck they had just been in the Superbowl. I'm not so sure that the overall improved talent level on the Redskins will have more of an impact than Gibbs' coaching. We may actually have the personnel to have a top 5 running game this year. We have more experience at QB. Granted we made the roster changes to fit JG's plan. By the way... they were both probably assigned to write different sides of the same story... the subject matter may not have been King's choice.

06-10-2004, 05:15 PM	#6
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	I think Banks nailed this one, the Skins have not lacked talent, they have lacked direction and leadership. Our last coach entered the league needling a coach about his work ethic, and our team never really believed in him. With a head coach who would rather work on his handicap than on a gameplan, it's no wonder it didn't work. Gibbs is not going to let anyone outwork him, not anyone. Gibbs gets guys to buy into his system, and his system (unlike SS) works in the NFL. Coughlin may make the G-men tougher, but Gibbs will make the Skins tougher, smarter, and more successful.

06-10-2004, 04:53 PM	#7
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Each coach is very good. but if you look at the resume of both, who comes out on top, easily? Gibbs. who has a more talented team? Gibbs. This pick should easily be Gibbs.

06-10-2004, 05:29 PM	#9
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	I disagree. The Redskins started last season with Trung at RB and a rookie at QB. There aren't very many coaches that will win with that combo.

06-10-2004, 06:01 PM	#11
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	I realize that it was Spurrier's fault... but the bottom line is that he thought he could win with a system and not talented players. They didn't have the talent last year. Wuerffel was not a talented player and he would not have helped their cause. Ramsey had started 6 or 8 games prior to last year... that's still a rookie in my warped world.

06-10-2004, 06:37 PM	#13
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	Ramsey started 5, played 10.

06-10-2004, 11:32 PM	#14
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Coughlin also inherited an Expansion team, and got them to the playoffs fast. You cant compare Fassel and Coughlin by sayin well fassel went to the SB, cuz fassel inherited a team that was already made...

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