At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

[hurrykaine]

I understand the need for continuity in coaching staff and players, but our offense in Gibbs 2.0 has been pi$$ poor for the most part. We love Gibbs for what he accomplished in his first stint and honor him for it, but to not have an offensive identity (other than the 5yd dink and dump pass on 3rd and 13) for over two years is clearly Gibbs' fault. Gibbs can still manage people well, but what if this team fails to make the playoffs next year? Are we then justified in calling for his head? 4 years with a losing record in 3 of them and a bunch of aging overpaid vets is reason enough to get anybody canned.

Gibbs got all the players he wanted to make a championship run last year and this year. He picked an aging vet QB and stuck with him, negating all the young talent we have at WR and TE. Buges has underachieved with our offensive line.

He sure has picked a bunch of nice high character guys that won't implode on a team, but you can't claim that as a victory when the goal was to reach the super bowl. Brunell and others saying anything short of the super bowl this year would be a disappointment????!! What gave them the idea at the beginning of the year that we were going to be good enough to reach anywhere near the SB?

[SmootSmack]

I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

Mark me down as a yes man too.

It goes beyond Gibbs though for me, I'm just tired of coaching changes. Gibbs can have his 5 years before I'll make my ultimate judgement on his 2nd stint.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

This is what I would said. He is a legend. Our legend. The man has worked his butt off through two stints to win games for us. The first time got it done and I still believe he can get it done this time. I'd expect him to resign before I could ever admit that he needed to go. I can't even fathom what it would take for me to think that he can't make this work. I don't think it is blind optimism but actually faith based on results. What everyone wants to believe is that we won every game we ever played under Gibbs the first time around. Well guess what, we didn't. We had plenty of 9-7/10-6 years and had plenty of big losses. The league is even more competitive now and when he came here I think we can honestly admit that we were on the low side in terms of talent. There have been missteps for sure but I think the biggest misstep he made was allowing everyone to believe we were better than we were. Now he looks bad and everyone is pissed. But what exactly has he done that has hurt this team? Can anyone say this team is worse off now than when he came? I don't if it is but I haven't heard anyone say he has done a bad job. Just that he hasn't done all the right things. To me he has plenty of leash. He earned it.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This is what I would said. He is a legend. Our legend. The man has worked his butt off through two stints to win games for us. The first time got it done and I still believe he can get it done this time. I'd expect him to resign before I could ever admit that he needed to go. I can't even fathom what it would take for me to think that he can't make this work. I don't think it is blind optimism but actually faith based on results. What everyone wants to believe is that we won every game we ever played under Gibbs the first time around. Well guess what, we didn't. We had plenty of 9-7/10-6 years and had plenty of big losses. The league is even more competitive now and when he came here I think we can honestly admit that we were on the low side in terms of talent. There have been missteps for sure but I think the biggest misstep he made was allowing everyone to believe we were better than we were. Now he looks bad and everyone is pissed. But what exactly has he done that has hurt this team? Can anyone say this team is worse off now than when he came? I don't if it is but I haven't heard anyone say he has done a bad job. Just that he hasn't done all the right things. To me he has plenty of leash. He earned it.

Good post..We did have those 9-7 & 10-6 yrs under Gibbs v1, however, we were always competitive. How many 6-10 years did we have? How many losses to bad non-division teams such as the current Clevelands, Oaklands, Tennessees etc under Gibbs v1? How many games where the offense has failed to score a TD before garbage time?

I'm perfectly willing to admit the fault isn't with Gibbs. Maybe its his supporting cast of coaches on offense - Breaux, Bugel, Burns, etc. that are over the hill. But Gibbs did bring in his personal entourage. And Brunell. And if Campbell doesn't pan out, Gibbs will also be responsible for erring on that front.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'll be called a "yes man" for sure, but I really believe there are some people who have the right-however frustrating it may be for people-to decide when they want to leave. Dean Smith, Bobby Cox, Greg Popovich, Bobby Bowden, Joe Gibbs, to name a few.

I agree. Has Joe Gibbs not earned the right to leave at his own desire? Remember, we feel like he's made some mistakes this season right now, but in 365 days, he could be once again looking like the genius that he is. I prefer to reserve judgement on how well he's done this year until after its apparent whether or not his decisions have been right or wrong ones.

[hurrykaine]

I respect that and can see that right being extended to legends in College Sports (e.g., Joe Pa, Bowden, Dean Smith, etc), but in pro sports?

[Hog1]

I'm a yes man.
How many coaches take perennial losing sports franchises and turn them to winning in 3 years? Or ever? I might also point out that without Gibbs we are the............the Bengals..............the Cardinals. We are record setters of 73-0, and one SB lost.
It is indeed a disgrace this thread was started

[hail_2_da_skins]

Never!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'd give him a 4th season. If he can't field an offense after that, there will be no need to call for his firing as he will resign. Gibbs is smart and knows that if he can't get it done, he'll leave out of his love for the organization.

[Daseal]

Im not a yes man, but Im patient with coaches. I feel 3 years is the magic number. If you don't have it working by then, something may be wrong. If Gibbs goes through another year like this one next year. Time to let GWill take the ship over.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Im not a yes man, but Im patient with coaches. I feel 3 years is the magic number. If you don't have it working by then, something may be wrong. If Gibbs goes through another year like this one next year. Time to let GWill take the ship over.

That's what scares me. While I'll have no problem with Gibbs' decision to leave after another disgraceful performance on offense next season, I'm not sold on Greg Williams as a Head Coach and personnel evaluator. Each year, we have let core guys walk on defense walk away and have paid the price. Pierce, Smoot, Ryan Clark - heck even some of the lesser known folks like Ron Warner could've helped this team right now. Williams was key in getting Carter and AA here, and both have been huge busts. S Taylor is regressing each week.

[hesscl34]

Not again!!! Please make it STOP!

If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Not again!!! Please make it STOP!

If you don't like Gibbs, go be a Cowboys fan.

It's not about 'liking' Gibbs? It's about the Redskins...no one is questioning Gibbs loyalty or love for this team, that's very clear.

Bottom line, the success and failure starts with Joe Gibbs, and if that's the case, then this is a very valid thread.

[12thMan]

I don't think it's a disgrace that this thread was started, it's a very legit question. Fact of the matter is, if Joe Gibbs' name was...oh, Nick Saban or Mike Tice, or Herm Edwards....this would the put up or shut up year.

It's funny that when Gibbs returned one of the very first things to come out of his mouth was that the past doesn't really buy you much. I do think he's running on borrowed time and reputation here.

That being said, I think he needs to stay and ride out the bumps. Not because he's Joe Gibbs, but for the sake of avoiding another coaching upheaval.