What was the LLoyd vs ARE arguement about at the end of the game?

[redsk1]

Anyone heard? I didn't see it but heard it mentioned on redskins lunch. I did see Lloyd throw his helmet though. Kindof a bonehead play, but our offense looked confused, lost, and innept over the last 6-7 minutes of the game.

FWIW i like LLoyd and at least he has shown some heart, so on this one i'll give him a pass. He was most likely p*****. When we throw to him he catches it and good things happen. More importantly the guy blocks his a** off. Thoughts...

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Lloyd is a decent blocker, but everything else you said was a bunch of crap, he has dropped many balls (lots of them being important plays), and to my memory had only one big play, and that didnt even result in a touchdown.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Lloyd is a decent blocker, but everything else you said was a bunch of crap, he has dropped many balls (lots of them being important plays), and to my memory had only one big play, and that didnt even result in a touchdown.

has he really dropped "many balls", as you say ? i only recall him dropping a few. i think him and A.R.EL have been pretty good additions to the team,yes they've been a little sporadic(sp) but so has the whole offense.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

has he really dropped "many balls", as you say ? i only recall him dropping a few. i think him and A.R.EL have been pretty good additions to the team,yes they've been a little sporadic(sp) but so has the whole offense.

he hasn't dropped "many" in numbers but he has dropped a real high percentage of balls thrown his way when he wasn't hit when recieving, just not that many balls has been thrown his way, so 5 drops is a rediculous amount. And neither Randle El nor Lloyd have greatly impacted any game that we won. In fact Lloyd hasn't greatly impacted any game that we've played. I wouldnt be surprised if neither of those recievers had a game above 50 yards. You tell me any other number two reciever that has that little production, much less one that has a 30mil contract.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

he hasn't dropped "many" in numbers but he has dropped a real high percentage of balls thrown his way when he wasn't hit when recieving, just not that many balls has been thrown his way, so 5 drops is a rediculous amount. And neither Randle El nor Lloyd have greatly impacted any game that we won. In fact Lloyd hasn't greatly impacted any game that we've played. I wouldnt be surprised if neither of those recievers had a game above 50 yards. You tell me any other number two reciever that has that little production, much less one that has a 30mil contract.

WAaaaaaaaaaa! I just want to drink and make it stop!!!!!!!

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

he hasn't dropped "many" in numbers but he has dropped a real high percentage of balls thrown his way when he wasn't hit when recieving, just not that many balls has been thrown his way, so 5 drops is a rediculous amount. And neither Randle El nor Lloyd have greatly impacted any game that we won. In fact Lloyd hasn't greatly impacted any game that we've played. I wouldnt be surprised if neither of those recievers had a game above 50 yards. You tell me any other number two reciever that has that little production, much less one that has a 30mil contract.

Yea, I just officially checked, and against dallas, Lloyd had one catch for 52 yards, but besides that, neither Lloyd nor Randle El has a game of over 50 yards, but guess who does, that's right our wide reciever with the second most yards in a single game is James freaking Thrash with 3 catches for 53 yards. That just pisses me off so much that both Lloyd and Randle El are paid so much and are outpreformed by an old piece of crap. I dont have anything against Thrash I'm just venting my anger at whoever creates the contracts, I wouldnt care if Randle El and Lloyd werent paid so much but they are.

[LMsexyAO]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Yea, I just officially checked, and against dallas, Lloyd had one catch for 52 yards, but besides that, neither Lloyd nor Randle El has a game of over 50 yards, but guess who does, that's right our wide reciever with the second most yards in a single game is James freaking Thrash with 3 catches for 53 yards. That just pisses me off so much that both Lloyd and Randle El are paid so much and are outpreformed by an old piece of crap. I dont have anything against Thrash I'm just venting my anger at whoever creates the contracts, I wouldnt care if Randle El and Lloyd werent paid so much but they are.

What is your problem, man. The ball has to be thrown to them before they can get yards; you make it seem like they are dropping every pass that comes to them. They are solid additions in my opinion. Plus you've got your stats wrong.. ever hear of a guy named Chris Cooley? Our offensive passing game has been very short-yardage stuff (Pre-Campbell at least) with the exception of Moss and Cooley, ergo it's not completely their fault. Cut them some slack.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Lloyd is a decent blocker, but everything else you said was a bunch of crap, he has dropped many balls (lots of them being important plays), and to my memory had only one big play, and that didnt even result in a touchdown.

Exactly how many passes get thrown his way? I gotta disagree here. It's not his fault we don't have anyone to get the ball to him. I can recall one, maybe two he has dropped.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Exactly how many passes get thrown his way? I gotta disagree here. It's not his fault we don't have anyone to get the ball to him. I can recall one, maybe two he has dropped.

Lloyd through Week 13:

Looks = 53
Receptions = 20
Catch % = 38%


Sure, not ALL of them were drops, but quite a few were and some can also be attributed to missing routes, not being able to get open or miscommunication that could be his fault or the QBs, or both.

In comparison, Santana Moss this year (with the same QBs):
Looks = 71
Receptions = 41
Catch % = 58%

Cooley (who we know has been dropping passes):
Looks = 67
Receptions = 37
Catch % = 55%

Randel El (who gets a lot of handoffs instead of passes):
Looks = 39
Receptions = 22
Catch % = 56%

Ladell Betts (receiving):
Looks = 47
Receptions = 40
Catch % = 85%



As you can see, Lloyd's catch % is WAY below everyone else's. It can't be the QB's problem because everyone else is about equal, except for Betts because most of his passes are shorter since he's coming out of the backfield.

*Stats calculated by Buster

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Lloyd through Week 13:

Looks = 53
Receptions = 20
Catch % = 38%


Sure, not ALL of them were drops, but quite a few were and some can also be attributed to missing routes, not being able to get open or miscommunication that could be his fault or the QBs, or both.

In comparison, Santana Moss this year (with the same QBs):
Looks = 71
Receptions = 41
Catch % = 58%

Cooley (who we know has been dropping passes):
Looks = 67
Receptions = 37
Catch % = 55%

Randel El (who gets a lot of handoffs instead of passes):
Looks = 39
Receptions = 22
Catch % = 56%

Ladell Betts (receiving):
Looks = 47
Receptions = 40
Catch % = 85%



As you can see, Lloyd's catch % is WAY below everyone else's. It can't be the QB's problem because everyone else is about equal, except for Betts because most of his passes are shorter since he's coming out of the backfield.

*Stats calculated by Buster

Just from watching every game, i can't recall more than a couple dropped passes from Lloyd. Maybe i'm wrong. I remember alot of misthrows-maybe he is not running good routes but it looks as though these throws are one hopping to him or over his head.

It seems like whenever we throw to him good things happen. There was a thread a few weeks ago that eluded to this, i believe. It just doesn't seem like Lloyd gets many catchable balls his way.

[mike340]

Out of curiosity, do you know what this stat is for Thrash? (Patten hasn't played enough to be of interest.)

Originally Posted by Buster

Lloyd through Week 13:

Looks = 53
Receptions = 20
Catch % = 38%


Sure, not ALL of them were drops, but quite a few were and some can also be attributed to missing routes, not being able to get open or miscommunication that could be his fault or the QBs, or both.

In comparison, Santana Moss this year (with the same QBs):
Looks = 71
Receptions = 41
Catch % = 58%

Cooley (who we know has been dropping passes):
Looks = 67
Receptions = 37
Catch % = 55%

Randel El (who gets a lot of handoffs instead of passes):
Looks = 39
Receptions = 22
Catch % = 56%

Ladell Betts (receiving):
Looks = 47
Receptions = 40
Catch % = 85%



As you can see, Lloyd's catch % is WAY below everyone else's. It can't be the QB's problem because everyone else is about equal, except for Betts because most of his passes are shorter since he's coming out of the backfield.

*Stats calculated by Buster

[SkinsLove24/7]

I don't think Lloyd and ARE were fighting. It was just that Lloyd got fired up and ARE grabbed him to keep under control from doing something stupid.

[VTSkins897]

yeah i had to drive to the airport at the end of the game. what exactly happened with that?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by VTSkins897

yeah i had to drive to the airport at the end of the game. what exactly happened with that?

I think Lloyd was a little upset at that last INT that Campbell threw, and frustration caused his emotions to get a little carried away. His lack of production this season has been the result of a combination of things. Early in the season Brunell didn't look his way a lot, but I've also noticed he sometimes has trouble getting into his patterns which disrupts the timing between him and the QB. Maybe the more reps he has with Campbell he can work out some of the problems he's having.

[dall-assblows]

didn't they almost get in a fight in the Indy game, but players pulled them apart?