Is this really fair? (Saint's Thomas suspended for 'roids)

[ArtMonkDrillz]

ESPN.com - NFL - Saints' Thomas slapped with four-game 'roid suspension

Does anyone else agree with me that this is a stupid ruling by the NFL? For those of you who don't want to read the article I'll sum it up. The Saint's defensive lineman Hollis Thomas failed a steroids test this summer because of asthma medication that he needs to take. The NFL felt that even though doctors say Thomas shouldn't be suspended they have to hold him to the same rules as everyone else.
This will probably be a good thing for the Skins in 2 weeks, and I like that, but still, this really doesn't seem fair to me. Anyone else agree?


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[RobH4413]

"According to the doctor, Thomas needs a long acting beta agonist and a short acting beta agonist to control his asthma."

That's good enough for me.

This is very Bogus. Should be done on a case by case basis and not a "rules apply to everyone" policy. I guess they didn't want to open up any loopholes, still seems kind of hearltess, but alas, that's the NFL.

Quick question... If the same thing happened to Peyton Manning, do you think the NFL would have suspended him? I'm no expert, but I don't think they would.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Quick question... If the same thing happened to Peyton Manning, do you think the NFL would have suspended him? I'm no expert, but I don't think they would.

That's a really good point. If that were to Manning and they did suspend him ESPN would bitching all over Outside the Lines, First and 10, PTI, Around the Horn, NFL Live, etc, etc, etc about how unfair this is.

But I guess he should have just risked DEATH rather than taking the medication that he needs because he knew it'd get him in trouble.

[cpayne5]

If the league isn't going to back off in this case, and if Thomas does indeed need steroids to breathe, then his career is essentially over, no?

[onlydarksets]

That's horse-poo. Did anyone at the league actually look at this case, or did they just see "steroid" and then red stamp it?

[Schneed10]

Wow that's total bullhooey.

NFL needs to think about the spirit of the rule. The no-steroids policy is designed to prevent players from taking stuff to get an edge. Hollis Thomas is just taking medicine to keep himself healthy, not get an edge. There's no cheating here.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wow that's total bullhooey.

NFL needs to think about the spirit of the rule. The no-steroids policy is designed to prevent players from taking stuff to get an edge. Hollis Thomas is just taking medicine to keep himself healthy, not get an edge. There's no cheating here.

I guess, technically, breathing is an "angle". I could play in the NFL if I were the only one who could breathe.

[BDBohnzie]

The poor guy gets suspended for using Advair, so that he can breathe. It's a shame, but as stated, I guess the NFL doesn't want the floodgates to open. I wonder if it's something they can work on for next season.

[NYCSkin]

The possibility of having a positive steroid test from inhaled steroids is virtually impossible for a few reasons. I say this as a physician and former asthma researcher.

Firstly, inhaled steroids for asthma have minimal systemic effects due to their absorption at the local level (the lungs) to provide better targeted therapy. Therefore, their detectable blood level is null, unless I suppose you inhaled a tremendous dosage, which in any case would not be a clinically feasible approach to treating asthma.

More importantly, steroids used in asthma treatment are related to a certain hormone, cortisol, and not androgens (like testosterone-another hormone), which are anabolic (muscle building). The steroid testing done in the NFL looks for sources of anabolic steroids and not those steroids used to treat asthma.

And I agree that it will bode well for the Skins' running attack to have him out for this game...

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

The possibility of having a positive steroid test from inhaled steroids is virtually impossible for a few reasons. I say this as a physician and former asthma researcher.

Firstly, inhaled steroids for asthma have minimal systemic effects due to their absorption at the local level (the lungs) to provide better targeted therapy. Therefore, their detectable blood level is null, unless I suppose you inhaled a tremendous dosage, which in any case would not be a clinically feasible approach to treating asthma.

More importantly, steroids used in asthma treatment are related to a certain hormone, cortisol, and not androgens (like testosterone-another hormone), which are anabolic (muscle building). The steroid testing done in the NFL looks for sources of anabolic steroids and not those steroids used to treat asthma.

And I agree that it will bode well for the Skins' running attack to have him out for this game...

For argument's sake, what if Thomas just happened to use the Advair right before his drug test. Would it be possible that with it being fresh in his system, that it could trigger a false positive in the test?

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

For argument's sake, what if Thomas just happened to use the Advair right before his drug test. Would it be possible that with it being fresh in his system, that it could trigger a false positive in the test?

If the NFL was testing for these types of steroids, I believe that only oral asthma steroids would register in a blood test, not Advair or similar inhaled steroids.

[STPainmaker]

The steroid component of this story is completely irrelevant. It's the Beta agonist portion of the Advair thats the issue. A Beta agonist stimulates Beta receptors which is also how ephedra works and this is why he got suspended. Ephedra and other "stimulants" are banned substances by the NFL. This has been an issue in track and field as well with guys taking ritalin/adderal for "ADD". These medications provide hyperacuity, and an overall wired feeling. Very similar to the cocaine induced sack attacks of Dexter Manley and LT.

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[STPainmaker]

The issue of cross reactivity NYCSkin brought up is definitely an issue but with respect to the stimulant part of advair and the short acting albuterol inhaler thomas took.
There is a definite known cross reactivity in certain test kits between Clenbuterol which they tested for and is considered a drug of abuse and the medication he takes as a rescue medicine for asthma albuterol.

This in my opinion means that either Mr. Thomas needs to get better medical/legal representation or the NFL further confirmed with a more specific test he actually was taking Clenbuterol. I feel it is most likely the former.

[jdlea]

That's really messed up. If it was his asthma medication that caused the positive test he should get a pass. However, gotta respect the stance of the NFL on this one. At least they show the aura of having a zero tolerance policy.

[SmootSmack]

I've taken Advair. Guess this explains why I'm not in the NFL.