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Old 01-14-2007, 09:17 PM   #1
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Tom "Iceman" Brady

The guy just led his team to another Super Bowl win IMO. He is a freak of nature. Anyone wanna bet who wins next week between Indy and NE. I will say San Diego handed that game away with some pitiful turnovers, but Brady made them pay. By the way having a rookie quarterback start for you in the playoffs is a recipe for going home no matter how good your team may be. New England is mostly no names with a few great players and the sickest QB I've ever seen play.
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:21 PM   #2
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The guy just led his team to another Super Bowl win IMO. He is a freak of nature. Anyone wanna bet who wins next week between Indy and NE. I will say San Diego handed that game away with some pitiful turnovers, but Brady made them pay. Bye the way having a rookie quarterback start for you in the playoffs is a recipe for going home no matter how good your team may be. New England is mostly no names with a few great players and the sickest QB I've ever seen play.
This is Rivers' third year.
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This is Rivers' third year.
Yeah I meant with a first year starter and first time in the playoffs.
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Yeah I mean't with a first year starter and first time in the playoffs.
Brady won the Super bowl as a first year starter.
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Yeah Philip Rivers didn't have the greatest game today, sucks for him. I was really pulling for the Chargers to win the game today, i fargin hate both the Pats and Colts with a passion because both of them are gonna get so much slobber-knocking from the media it's gonna make me sick. Either way i hope the Bears or Saints kick their asses in the SB.

@Steveo: He probably knew that, he was probably just calling him a rookie because this is his first year as the starter. He's basically a rookie that's been studying the playbook for two seasons.
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Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.
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Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.
That's crazy talk. He is better than Peyton Manning by one huge margin. It's called winning big games. I will argue Brady is better than every player you mentioned and after he wins another Super Bowl with an average team there will be no doubt. Indy might be able to win, but whoever does is going to walk all over the NFC representative in the Super Bowl.
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Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.

No Ithink you're wrong there... Brady is the better of the 2 and probably the best to ever play the game at his position... point blank period!!!
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Old 01-15-2007, 09:24 PM   #9
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Tom brady is very good, but not the sickest QB ive ever seen play, not by a longshot. Peyton Manning for one is a better quarterback than brady and a couple others i think better than brady just in the past decade, elway, marino, farve in his prime to name a few. Hats off to the pats, but they win because of superrior coaching than anything else.
what makes Peyton better? He has never won anything in the NFL, the point of a QB is to be a leader and get your team to the superbowl, how many rings does Peyton have? Lets not forget who peyton has played with: Edgerin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,Marcus Pollard and many many others over the past five or so years, still no superbowl win. Now on the other hand, lets see who Tom Brady has had during his superbowl wins:Troy Brown,David Patten,Deion Branch,Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon, no where near the talent that has surrounded Peyton and hes still won 3 superbowls and is 12-1 in the playoffs, thats one hell of a Qb, one hell of a leader, and one hell of a champion.
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what makes Peyton better? He has never won anything in the NFL, the point of a QB is to be a leader and get your team to the superbowl, how many rings does Peyton have? Lets not forget who peyton has played with: Edgerin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,Marcus Pollard and many many others over the past five or so years, still no superbowl win. Now on the other hand, lets see who Tom Brady has had during his superbowl wins:Troy Brown,David Patten,Deion Branch,Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon, no where near the talent that has surrounded Peyton and hes still won 3 superbowls and is 12-1 in the playoffs, thats one hell of a Qb, one hell of a leader, and one hell of a champion.
I ask you to read the progession of the posts rather than read my opener and jump to page 11...
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I ask you to read the progession of the posts rather than read my opener and jump to page 11...
why? have you all of a sudden changed your tone? I wonder why
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what makes Peyton better? He has never won anything in the NFL, the point of a QB is to be a leader and get your team to the superbowl, how many rings does Peyton have? Lets not forget who peyton has played with: Edgerin James,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,Dallas Clark,Marcus Pollard and many many others over the past five or so years, still no superbowl win. Now on the other hand, lets see who Tom Brady has had during his superbowl wins:Troy Brown,David Patten,Deion Branch,Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon, no where near the talent that has surrounded Peyton and hes still won 3 superbowls and is 12-1 in the playoffs, thats one hell of a Qb, one hell of a leader, and one hell of a champion.
You conviently ignore defense, the main reason that teams win and lose in the playoffs, and a part of the game that the QB has no control over, while citing offensive skill players, people who are often made by their QB. You then cite wins as your arguement while ignoring both defense AND special teams. Shoddy at best.
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You conviently ignore defense, the main reason that teams win and lose in the playoffs, and a part of the game that the QB has no control over, while citing offensive skill players, people who are often made by their QB. You then cite wins as your arguement while ignoring both defense AND special teams. Shoddy at best.
Are you going to honestly say you haven't done the SAME THING with Manning? I've read all 11 pages and all I have really seen from you is the same thing:

1. "If Manning wins it's because of his talent, just look at his numbers"
2. "If Brady wins it's because of his team, just look at his defense"

Not to mention that you have this theory that playoff preasure doesn't exist. You don't really believe that do you? Yes, it's the same players that suit up every other Sunday, but you have to admit that when Manning stops and thinks, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm not gaurenteed to play next week," he gets a little nervous. They both do, of course. But Brady doesn't show it in his play, Manning does. You can bring up the poor play of Brady yesterday if you want but look how Manning played in Baltimore, much worse. The fact is that Brady (at least more often than not) handles the playoff pressure exponentially better than Manning.

Even though I know it's been said several times before, numbers and stats don't mean anything in the end. Marino would have given up 16 wins for one super bowl. Even though Manning may have fantastic regular season games, he chokes when it counts, end of story.
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Are you going to honestly say you haven't done the SAME THING with Manning? I've read all 11 pages and all I have really seen from you is the same thing:

1. "If Manning wins it's because of his talent, just look at his numbers"
2. "If Brady wins it's because of his team, just look at his defense"

Not to mention that you have this theory that playoff preasure doesn't exist. You don't really believe that do you? Yes, it's the same players that suit up every other Sunday, but you have to admit that when Manning stops and thinks, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm not gaurenteed to play next week," he gets a little nervous. They both do, of course. But Brady doesn't show it in his play, Manning does. You can bring up the poor play of Brady yesterday if you want but look how Manning played in Baltimore, much worse. The fact is that Brady (at least more often than not) handles the playoff pressure exponentially better than Manning.

Even though I know it's been said several times before, numbers and stats don't mean anything in the end. Marino would have given up 16 wins for one super bowl. Even though Manning may have fantastic regular season games, he chokes when it counts, end of story.
"Rings" and stats don't even measure the same thing. This isn't about "rings vs stats". It's about Peyton Manning's production vs. Tom Brady's production. Stats are a great way of measuring production (provided you use success conducive stats), easily the best way, but hardly the only way. However, rings are not in ANY way a tool to measure individual performance.

If your case is that Brady's career is more fufilling because half the seasons he plays end in championships, I fully and totally agree with you. And I'd still take Manning on my team before him.

"He chokes when it counts..." Does the regular season not count? Did Peyton's lights out playoff performances in 2003 and 2004 not count? Did Brady not choke against Denver last year? Did he not choke last week with 3 INTs when his team needed him? There are so many questions that really prevent this from being the "end of story".

Regarding the playoffs being a whole different entity from the regular season, what happens if he goes in and beats the Patriots next week? What happens to the "he chokes under pressure theroy"? Is it invalidated? Refined?
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You conviently ignore defense, the main reason that teams win and lose in the playoffs, and a part of the game that the QB has no control over, while citing offensive skill players, people who are often made by their QB. You then cite wins as your arguement while ignoring both defense AND special teams. Shoddy at best.
Ignore the defense? Do the patriots have a player with the abilities of Dwight Freeney? Dont the Colts have Bob Sanders,Cato June,Booger Mcfarland, and Robert Mathis on there defense? Why would i ignore Special teams? didnt they have one of the best kickers of his time in Mike Vanderjagt? and now they have Vinatieri. And Terrence Wilkins is one of the best kick returners in the league. Any way you look at it, Peyton has always lined up with more talent than Tom Brady and Tom has still won more important games than Peyton, look you can have Peyton, but if Im starting a team I choose to go with the guy who has three superbowl rings and will not cost me 100 million dollars
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