Why all the complaining?

[skinsfan242]

You know no matter what happened we ended up WINNING the Game. There are some things that can be questioned but you also have to remember this is the NFL and the other teams step up when their backs are against the wall. No matter what happened we won the game.

Can everyone on here just talk about the Fact that we are 4-2 when everyone including alot of you thought we would have a 5-11 or 6-10 season?

Can you talk about how the Defense is dominant and if not for two stupid personal fouls the game would have never been close?

Sure all you want to do is complain but I guarntee you the Packers fans weren't complaining they beat us when we gave the game away.

Let's just go with the facts, we have a great defense an injured offensive line and we play hard. We are 4-2 not 3-3.

Have a good week and just hope we can pull off a Major Upset next week.

[4mrusmc]

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

You really have not seen any progress from Jason Campbell this year, it must only be you

Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Sure there has been some progress, but if you could remember back in training camp when all the buzz was about how JC was going to be vastly improved. I for one don't see it, especially when our defense gives you back the ball and our offense does nothing but 3 and out. But, I will acknowledge the fact that those droped passes have hurt as well. This team is not that good of a team to just give back the ball to the oposition.

You're just insane. Were it not for 8 dropped passes against GB and several long passes to receivers stopped on the 1, Jason would probably be sporting numbers similar to this:

Record: 5-1
Yds: 1200
TD's: 8
INT: 4

Even taking the *real* numbers, he's improved from last year in completion percentage and yards per attempt already, despite clearly being asked to do more in the offense (he's taken 2 more sacks already than he did last year, in one fewer game). Our running game is far less effective than it was last year, so offenses can key on Jason, yet he's still making smart plays (today's game notwithstanding) in most cases, and often he's putting the team on his back. All from a guy who hasn't started an entire season yet.

Say, how are those other young, highly touted QB's doing:

-- Vince Young
-- Philip Rivers
-- Alex Smith
-- Matt Leinart
-- Jay Cutler

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Guys need to remember that this kid is TWENTY FIVE freaking years old. At 13 games into his professional career, his numbers look like this:

Cmp: 210
Att:375
Pct: 56.0
Yd: 2,478
Avg: 6.6
TD: 15
INT: 11
Sck: 16
SckYd: 97
Rate: 77.4
RushAtt: 44
RushYd: 200
RushAvg: 4.5
RushTD: 1
Fum: 6
Lost: 1

Thirteen games into his career, Carson Palmer's numbers:
Cmp: 263
Att: 432
Pct: 60.9
Yd: 2,897
Avg: 6.7
TD: 18
INT: 18
Sck:25
SckYd: 178
Rate: 77.3
RushAtt: 18
RushYd: 47
RushAvg: 2.6
RushTD: 1
Fum: 2
Lost: 2

And just for comparison, here's Peyton Manning's first 16 games:
Cmp: 326
Att: 575
Pct: 56.7
Yd: 3,739
Avg: 6.5
TD: 26
INT: 28
Sck: 22
SckYd: 109
Rate: 71.2
RushAtt: 15
RushYd: 62
RushAvg: 4.1
RushTD: 0
Fum: 3
Lost: 1

So before you go all flipping out about Campbell, recognize that he's exactly where he needs to be. And in most measurable statistics, he's farther along than two of today's best QB's were at similar points in *their* NFL careers.

[SFREDSKIN]

Why don't we just compare young QB's and their teams:

Young + Titans 4-2
Smith + Forty Niners 2-4
Cutler + Denver 3-3
Leinart + Arizona 3-4

You can also include Rivers and Manning if you like

Rivers + Chargers 3-3
Manning + Giants 5-2
Romo + Cowboys 6-1

All this QB's were drafted ahead of Campbell except for Romo and their records are no better except for Romo and Manning who've been in the league one year longer.

I think Campbell is doing just fine for his experience level, the sky is the limit on his potential. He's still in the learning process, it would help if Moss would get of his funk. I think the funk is due to a hamstring strain.

[jgalecpa]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress.

Remember, the kid still hasn't played 16 games.

The O-Line is put together with bubble gum and string, and we didn't have our starting center out there.

But as to progress, I think it is undeniable.

OK: Here are some stats:

Compared to 2006:

His completion rate is up 5 points or 10% more than last year;

His average completion is 14% longer than last year; and

His QB rating is up 6%.


Dunno if I am allowed to post a link, but here is the source:

ESPN - Jason Campbell Stats, News, Photos - Washington Redskins - NFL Football


J-Dawg

[Cowell]

A wins a win, that is true. I would rather have the win then anything. I think we are complaining because despite our record (which I'm not arguing with either) we have so many problems. We all know we have the talent on this team to be more than an average team, but somehow we find a way to negate that talent. That's why we are complaining. With the talent on this team that game shouldn't have been close at all, dumb penalties or not.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Cowell

A wins a win, that is true. I would rather have the win then anything. I think we are complaining because despite our record (which I'm not arguing with either) we have so many problems. We all know we have the talent on this team to be more than an average team, but somehow we find a way to negate that talent. That's why we are complaining. With the talent on this team that game shouldn't have been close at all, dumb penalties or not.

People need to get a grip. A win is a win. Everybody wants to talk about the good old days, but you know what? We had just as many squeakers back in the Gibbs championship years.

In '87, for example, we beat the Cowboys twice, by a combined total of 10 points. That Dallas team finished 7-8. We beat the Jets by a point, and that team was dead last in their division at 6-9. We beat the Vikes by 3 and they finished one game over .500. The Giants were dead last in the division and one of our wins over them was by four points. We also lost 4 games, by 1, 4, 4, and 2 points, respectively.

It's cliche, but you know the line: any given Sunday. The Ravens found that out today. We didn't. Considering that we played better than GB did last week and still lost, I consider this week's game a much more favorable result.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap. What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress. And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.

were you referring to "the offense looks like crap" because i also will agree with that.

[4mrusmc]

[quote=dblanch66;367115]Sorry but this is kind of a dumb, uninformed, dare I say, ignorant statement.[/quote I don't know if you were able to watch the game from Cali or not, but we were damn lucky to NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

This game was won because of our defense. Our offense looks like crap.

First of all, you don't need to be the Patriots and be dominant on both sides of the ball to make the playoffs and make noise in a weak NFC. Chicago Bears anyone?

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

What happened to JCs' alledge offseason progress? I have yet to see such progress.

Oh, I guess you missed the week where he posted the second-best QB rating in the league. Or the numerous third-and-forever plays where his back was against the wall due to penalties and mistakes, and yet he came through despite the defense bringing the house. And, I guess, you figure the 9 dropped passes last week were all his fault.

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

And could someone please tell me why we brought in Al Saunders to call our offensive plays? Portis looks a little slow running the ball.

You lose 90% of your O-line, and then half of the backups, and what do you expect? Frankly, two rushing TD's ought to stop the bitching. I'd rather see Portis rush 90 times for one yard and 3 TD's than peel off 200 yards and get blanked trying to get the scores.

[Beemnseven]

I'm probably in the minority here, but for some reason I think we'd still have most of the same offensive problems even if our offensive line was completely healthy.

Portis isn't hitting on all cylinders, Betts hasn't really picked up the slack the way he did last season, and Moss is in a funk. Overall, there just doesn't seem to be much intensity with the players, chemistry between teammates, and general disorganization with coaching.

And no, I never expected us to be on the level of the Patriots.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm probably in the minority here, but for some reason I think we'd still have most of the same offensive problems even if our offensive line was completely healthy.

Portis isn't hitting on all cylinders, Betts hasn't really picked up the slack the way he did last season, and Moss is in a funk. Overall, there just doesn't seem to be much intensity with the players, chemistry between teammates, and general disorganization with coaching.

And no, I never expected us to be on the level of the Patriots.

The nail has been hit squarely on the head.