Now that they're gone

Jamaican'Skin · 03-05-2004, 12:13 AM

Smith and Wistrom are gone so who else do we go after in the Free Agency Pool?

EEich · 03-05-2004, 12:23 AM

Do we have any cap room left? I'd love to see how close we are and if we have room to sign anyone.

Gmanc711 · 03-05-2004, 12:28 AM

Right now, I'm starting to think that were gonna HAVE to pass on S.Taylor. I mean I really dont want too, but Saftey isnt as pressing as our Dline, and although we added a good DT in Griffin, and from what I hear a decent DE in Daniels, we still havent done enough. We can Still Get Udeze and if we get a second rounder, possibly wilfork or straks, so we will have to see. I too, would like to know our cap status. I really think we could still have some room, alot of our contracts are proboly backloaded ( I would defintley Say Porits/Springs are)

SmootSmack · 03-05-2004, 12:37 AM

Well I think Raiders DT Rod Coleman is available, I'd go after him

Gmanc711 · 03-05-2004, 12:38 AM

Oooo very good point smoot, I completley forgot about him. If we had him/Griffin inside with Holsley rotating in, that would be awsome. I still think we need to check out another DE, though. I mean Wynn/Daniels could be a soild duo, but not the huge pass rush I think we need, right?

giacomo2 · 03-06-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Oooo very good point smoot, I completley forgot about him. If we had him/Griffin inside with Holsley rotating in, that would be awsome. I still think we need to check out another DE, though. I mean Wynn/Daniels could be a soild duo, but not the huge pass rush I think we need, right?

With all this talent and experience we have on the Dline, there's only one thing missing....Udeze!!! Just imagine him coming off the end with that raw speed and strength. Then imagine Lavar coming from the other side...this is what all redskin fans have been waiting/dreaming of for years. I say trade down and pick up a second round pick...then draft udeze, and with that second round pick...Im sure JoeG. will find a gem. HAIL REDSKINS!!!!!

diehardskin2982 · 03-05-2004, 12:44 AM

there is still rod coleman of oakland and marcellus wiley. Save the draft pick for Taylor

CrazyCanuck · 03-05-2004, 12:58 AM

I've done some calculations and I figure right now we have about $2-4M in cap room. Plus they can save another $3M by dumping Trung, Moore, and Chamberlain.

So I figure there's $5-7M of cap room left. I think they can still sign Coleman or Wiley for the D line and maybe someone else like a safety, but that may be pushing it.

CrazyCanuck · 03-05-2004, 01:01 AM

Not to mention Samuels could easily save us $4-5M if he would just negotiate an extension.

MTK · 03-07-2004, 01:34 PM

Well, Spurrier chose his own staff and quit rather than replace them, so I guess we could say if Spurrier was as smart as Gibbs...

MTK · 03-07-2004, 02:53 PM

Daseal, I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend Spurrier all the time. The guy was a total flop at the NFL level. Once Lewis left he was completely lost. And the most telling thing was the offense regressed in his second year despite having more talent. Check out the numbers from 2002 compared to 2003, the offense was much worse across the board.

2002
2003

Some important stats to note:

Points per game:
2002: 19.2
2003: 17.9

Passing yards per game:
2002: 203.4
2003: 187.9

Rushing yards per game:
2002: 118.1
2003: 103.3

Third down %:
2002: 39.8
2003: 34

Penalties:
2002: 116-972
2003: 124-1038

First downs:
2002: 303
2003: 272

He couldn't protect the QB, he refused to committ to running the ball, he wavered back and forth between doing things his way one week, then the next week he would have another "gameplan", and the well documented discipline problems were just inexcusable.

He is a great college coach but at the NFL level he just couldn't cut it. His gimmicky offense was quickly diagnosed and eaten alive by NFL defenses. The only way he would have had success was if he scrapped his fun 'n' gun and went with a more traditional pro style of offense, and ultimately that's what led to him walking away, he realized he wasn't going to be successful doing it "his way", so why bother?

The arguement that Gibbs has more pull so that's why he's put together a better staff doesn't hold much water to me. If Spurrier did his homework on putting together a staff Snyder would have gotten him the guys he needed. Instead, Spurrier had no clue how important coaching was at this level and went about "promoting" his college staff to the NFL where they were equally unqualified and out of their element as he was.

Spurrier didn't even know how to run a training camp for gods' sake, Lewis was here in year 1 to basically be his mentor, (smart move by Snyder by the way). It's no surprise to me that the team fell apart after Lewis left, he was the glue that was holding things together.

The thing about Spurrier is he never really seemed dedicated to learning the ropes of the NFL and putting in the blood, sweat and tears to make it happen. He assumed he could bring his high flying offense to the NFL and that would overcome everything else like coaching and leadership. He was in way over his head in the NFL and he all but admitted that by quitting after 2 seasons and leaving $15M on the table.

And there's no comparison to him and guys like Jimmy Johnson who also struggled initially. The huge difference lies in their work ethics, or in Spurrier's case his lack thereof.

The one thing I can respect about Spurrier is he realized this "experiment" wasn't working and he handed the keys back to Snyder and said go find someone who can make this work.

Gmanc711 · 03-07-2004, 03:01 PM

The NFL Just wasent for Spurrier. I thought he was a stand up guy, and I legitmetley felt bad that his experiment didnt work. Him leaving, however, was best for him , and the Redskins.

Daseal · 03-07-2004, 06:03 PM

I've always been a Spurrier fan and I always will be. Did he make mistakes, sure. I also said hypothetically if he had the staff we have now, he would have done fine in the NFL, a point you don't seem to be contending.

If Gibbs goes and asks a great defensive coordinator to come to Washington he'll be much more likely to get him than Spurrier. I don't know how you can contest this. Coordinators want to go to teams with a shot just like players do. That's part of it.

As you said, Lewis was the glue. When we had a respectable defense of course our offense will perform better. Why don't you pull total possessions per game out of that stat sheet. You should see there were far less this year than last.

I think Spurrier can still be a head coach. He saw where his mistakes were and needs to fix him. I also think his work ethic is slightly under played. Yes, he'd leave early but I'm sure it wasn't all golf and sun for Spurrier. He has tons of room for improvement, but who doesnt.

Here's a question for you, what if Gibbs goes 7-9 two years in a row. Are you going to jump all over him and say he can't coach at the NFL level anymore? Doubt it, you'll blame it on tons of circumstances. Just how it is when it's 'your guy.' Spurrier needed a better staff to be successful, he should have had Snyder upgrade, but he didn't know it would be so dreadful till last year. It's not like he had a long run.

EEich · 03-07-2004, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Spurrier can still be a head coach. He saw where his mistakes were and needs to fix him. I also think his work ethic is slightly under played. Yes, he'd leave early but I'm sure it wasn't all golf and sun for Spurrier. He has tons of room for improvement, but who doesnt.

Lets just hope he's the Cowboys' next head coach.

Jamaican'Skin · 03-07-2004, 08:34 PM

Wishful thinking.

03-05-2004, 12:13 AM	#1
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	Now that they're gone Smith and Wistrom are gone so who else do we go after in the Free Agency Pool?

03-05-2004, 12:28 AM	#3
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Right now, I'm starting to think that were gonna HAVE to pass on S.Taylor. I mean I really dont want too, but Saftey isnt as pressing as our Dline, and although we added a good DT in Griffin, and from what I hear a decent DE in Daniels, we still havent done enough. We can Still Get Udeze and if we get a second rounder, possibly wilfork or straks, so we will have to see. I too, would like to know our cap status. I really think we could still have some room, alot of our contracts are proboly backloaded ( I would defintley Say Porits/Springs are) __________________ #21

03-05-2004, 12:37 AM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Well I think Raiders DT Rod Coleman is available, I'd go after him __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-05-2004, 12:38 AM	#5
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Oooo very good point smoot, I completley forgot about him. If we had him/Griffin inside with Holsley rotating in, that would be awsome. I still think we need to check out another DE, though. I mean Wynn/Daniels could be a soild duo, but not the huge pass rush I think we need, right? __________________ #21

03-07-2004, 03:01 PM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	The NFL Just wasent for Spurrier. I thought he was a stand up guy, and I legitmetley felt bad that his experiment didnt work. Him leaving, however, was best for him , and the Redskins. __________________ #21

03-05-2004, 12:23 AM	#2
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	Do we have any cap room left? I'd love to see how close we are and if we have room to sign anyone.

03-05-2004, 12:44 AM	#7
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	there is still rod coleman of oakland and marcellus wiley. Save the draft pick for Taylor

03-05-2004, 12:58 AM	#8
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	I've done some calculations and I figure right now we have about $2-4M in cap room. Plus they can save another $3M by dumping Trung, Moore, and Chamberlain. So I figure there's $5-7M of cap room left. I think they can still sign Coleman or Wiley for the D line and maybe someone else like a safety, but that may be pushing it.

03-05-2004, 01:01 AM	#9
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Not to mention Samuels could easily save us $4-5M if he would just negotiate an extension.

03-07-2004, 01:34 PM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Well, Spurrier chose his own staff and quit rather than replace them, so I guess we could say if Spurrier was as smart as Gibbs...

03-07-2004, 02:53 PM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Daseal, I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend Spurrier all the time. The guy was a total flop at the NFL level. Once Lewis left he was completely lost. And the most telling thing was the offense regressed in his second year despite having more talent. Check out the numbers from 2002 compared to 2003, the offense was much worse across the board. 2002 2003 Some important stats to note: Points per game: 2002: 19.2 2003: 17.9 Passing yards per game: 2002: 203.4 2003: 187.9 Rushing yards per game: 2002: 118.1 2003: 103.3 Third down %: 2002: 39.8 2003: 34 Penalties: 2002: 116-972 2003: 124-1038 First downs: 2002: 303 2003: 272 He couldn't protect the QB, he refused to committ to running the ball, he wavered back and forth between doing things his way one week, then the next week he would have another "gameplan", and the well documented discipline problems were just inexcusable. He is a great college coach but at the NFL level he just couldn't cut it. His gimmicky offense was quickly diagnosed and eaten alive by NFL defenses. The only way he would have had success was if he scrapped his fun 'n' gun and went with a more traditional pro style of offense, and ultimately that's what led to him walking away, he realized he wasn't going to be successful doing it "his way", so why bother? The arguement that Gibbs has more pull so that's why he's put together a better staff doesn't hold much water to me. If Spurrier did his homework on putting together a staff Snyder would have gotten him the guys he needed. Instead, Spurrier had no clue how important coaching was at this level and went about "promoting" his college staff to the NFL where they were equally unqualified and out of their element as he was. Spurrier didn't even know how to run a training camp for gods' sake, Lewis was here in year 1 to basically be his mentor, (smart move by Snyder by the way). It's no surprise to me that the team fell apart after Lewis left, he was the glue that was holding things together. The thing about Spurrier is he never really seemed dedicated to learning the ropes of the NFL and putting in the blood, sweat and tears to make it happen. He assumed he could bring his high flying offense to the NFL and that would overcome everything else like coaching and leadership. He was in way over his head in the NFL and he all but admitted that by quitting after 2 seasons and leaving $15M on the table. And there's no comparison to him and guys like Jimmy Johnson who also struggled initially. The huge difference lies in their work ethics, or in Spurrier's case his lack thereof. The one thing I can respect about Spurrier is he realized this "experiment" wasn't working and he handed the keys back to Snyder and said go find someone who can make this work.

03-07-2004, 06:03 PM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I've always been a Spurrier fan and I always will be. Did he make mistakes, sure. I also said hypothetically if he had the staff we have now, he would have done fine in the NFL, a point you don't seem to be contending. If Gibbs goes and asks a great defensive coordinator to come to Washington he'll be much more likely to get him than Spurrier. I don't know how you can contest this. Coordinators want to go to teams with a shot just like players do. That's part of it. As you said, Lewis was the glue. When we had a respectable defense of course our offense will perform better. Why don't you pull total possessions per game out of that stat sheet. You should see there were far less this year than last. I think Spurrier can still be a head coach. He saw where his mistakes were and needs to fix him. I also think his work ethic is slightly under played. Yes, he'd leave early but I'm sure it wasn't all golf and sun for Spurrier. He has tons of room for improvement, but who doesnt. Here's a question for you, what if Gibbs goes 7-9 two years in a row. Are you going to jump all over him and say he can't coach at the NFL level anymore? Doubt it, you'll blame it on tons of circumstances. Just how it is when it's 'your guy.' Spurrier needed a better staff to be successful, he should have had Snyder upgrade, but he didn't know it would be so dreadful till last year. It's not like he had a long run.

03-07-2004, 08:34 PM	#15
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	Wishful thinking.

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