6 Years Later Iraq Better but Still Shaky

redsk1 · 03-20-2009, 12:58 PM

6 years later, Iraq better but still shaky - Invasion Iraq: Six Years Later- msnbc.com

Regardless of whether you believe we should be over there, it seems we've made some good strides over the last year. It's funny how we don't hear much about these strides though. I guess or horrendous economy has something to do about it.

70Chip · 03-20-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

6 years later, Iraq better but still shaky - Invasion Iraq: Six Years Later- msnbc.com

Regardless of whether you believe we should be over there, it seems we've made some good strides over the last year. It's funny how we don't hear much about these strides though. I guess or horrendous economy has something to do about it.

Yes it is funny. The Iraq War went from being the "worst foreign policy blunder in American history" and "lost" to hardly worth mentioning in no time flat. The economy is part of the reason but it's not all of it. Let's see what the former head of the Nevada Gaming Comission has to say:

dmek25 · 03-20-2009, 02:56 PM

cant we move on?

CRedskinsRule · 03-20-2009, 03:09 PM

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cant we move on?

How about this, we file it away as a Bush win, and then in a year and half when Obama starts claiming it was his victory, we all agree that it was in fact a win for Bush. If Obama and the Democrats never bring it up, we all here agree not to either. Deal?

edit: I am also cool if we do the reverse for the economy, file it as a loss for Bush and the Dem Congress.

dmek25 · 03-20-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How about this, we file it away as a Bush win, and then in a year and half when Obama starts claiming it was his victory, we all agree that it was in fact a win for Bush. If Obama and the Democrats never bring it up, we all here agree not to either. Deal?

edit: I am also cool if we do the reverse for the economy, file it as a loss for Bush and the Dem Congress.

how about instead of saying its a Bush win, or an Obama win, we just say its a win for the United States?

CRedskinsRule · 03-20-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

how about instead of saying its a Bush win, or an Obama win, we just say its a win for the United States?

simple, because politics do not work like that, and when re-election campaigns come around, the same person who said "lets set this aside will" will say peace came through my candidate. If we have a win now it should be noted that Bush's strategy worked. of course, Bush bashers would rather wait a year - year and a half and then let politicians make wildly false claims.
Let me ask you, if it is a US win, whose strategy brought about the win?

saden1 · 03-20-2009, 03:29 PM

Have you ever wondered what one trillion dollars looks like?

MTK · 03-20-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Have you ever wondered what one trillion dollars looks like?

wow that's pretty crazy

The Goat · 03-20-2009, 09:43 PM

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Have you ever wondered what one trillion dollars looks like?

That pic/diagram is pretty mind-blowing IMO...

While the current cost may sit around $1 trillion there's two larger points: 1) the ultimate cost, which factors in long-term veteran care costs and other things, at least according the the Nobel prize holder Stiglitz, will cost well over $3 trillion (The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More) 2) the opportunity cost is literally unfathomable and even under the best case scenario for Iraq I think it's very hard for an honest person to argue that is worth more than the betterment we could have seen domestically (i'm totally w/ Pat Buchanan on this one)

But i think more importantly people should realize Bush did little to nothing to turn things around in Iraq. The tide turned w/ the surge strategy of "clear, hold and build," which was devised by Gen. Jack Keane and implemented within state dept., almost in clandestine fashion, by Condi Rice. Rummy pushed hard against the idea initially and it was only Condi's somewhat devious tactics that got the strategy on the ground. Bush had little to do w/ that; however, as i think is totally expected of the conservative base a women, let alone a minority, was never going to get the credit.

FRONTLINE: endgame: watch online | PBS

CRedskinsRule · 03-20-2009, 09:54 PM

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... Bush had little to do w/ that; however, as i think is totally expected of the conservative base a women, let alone a minority, was never going to get the credit.

FRONTLINE: endgame: watch online | PBS

and as is to be expected by the vilify bush crowd - bush will never get credit. bush brought in condi, she was a close advisor to him, that he followed her advise is not a surprise nor even unexpected. it is a fallacy to portray her advice as uncredited, regardless of race or gender.

The Goat · 03-20-2009, 09:56 PM

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and as is to be expected by the vilify bush crowd - bush will never get credit. bush brought in condi, she was a close advisor to him, that he followed her advise is not a surprise nor even unexpected. it is a fallacy to portray her advice as uncredited, regardless of race or gender.

Well be honest when's the last time you heard a right-winger, from Lush Bimbo on down to the local listener, give Condi credit for what happened?

CRedskinsRule · 03-21-2009, 07:56 AM

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Well be honest when's the last time you heard a right-winger, from Lush Bimbo on down to the local listener, give Condi credit for what happened?

honestly, i'm so sick of politics, the only place I come close to listening/discussing it is here, and that is only because it is person to person kinda, not just political rhetoric for a national audience. I mean, I know I may not agree with Saden or DMek, but I believe that the discussion will be civil, and thoughtful.

Zerohero · 03-21-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Have you ever wondered what one trillion dollars looks like?

That is pretty insane.

KLHJ2 · 03-20-2009, 03:39 PM

Cannot see the page...help

saden1 · 03-20-2009, 07:32 PM

Win? How about we start choosing our words more carefully?

03-20-2009, 12:58 PM	#1
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	6 Years Later Iraq Better but Still Shaky 6 years later, Iraq better but still shaky - Invasion Iraq: Six Years Later- msnbc.com Regardless of whether you believe we should be over there, it seems we've made some good strides over the last year. It's funny how we don't hear much about these strides though. I guess or horrendous economy has something to do about it.

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dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: 6 Years Later Iraq Better but Still Shaky cant we move on? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: 6 Years Later Iraq Better but Still Shaky Have you ever wondered what one trillion dollars looks like? __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

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KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 46 Posts: 5,829	Re: 6 Years Later Iraq Better but Still Shaky Cannot see the page...help

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saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: 6 Years Later Iraq Better but Still Shaky Win? How about we start choosing our words more carefully? __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

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