Where has the Redskins' Pass Rush Gone?

[GTripp0012]

Housekeepin': Individual defensive and OL stats are up, updated through the Detroit game.

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I've talked extensively in the game reviews about the weaknesses in the Redskins coverage units. Carlos Rogers' numbers are taking a hit as the slot corner, obviously, while Philip Buchanon sure seems to be outplaying DHall (perhaps not so much in the last two games).

But those coverage units are getting better. I think the safeties have a long way to go to make this a good coverage unit, but we're starting to see the effects of our talent in the back seven come through. Fletcher has shut down opposing tight ends this year, and backs are having trouble ever getting into the passing game because of our multiple fronts and formations, OCs error on the side of caution and keep them in. This is good, since Rocky can't much cover them anyhow.

What absolutely has not improved from the first game to now is the lack of any team pass rush. This scheme has been good for Orakpo who has enjoyed plenty of opportunities to go after the quarterback, and is on pace to set career highs in every pass rushing stat I could keep.

But outside of Orakpo, the rush has been non-existent. We're not a big blitzing team, in that most of Haslett's pressures are of the four man variety, but rely on angles to break down protection. It works often enough, I think, but the problem is that the Redskins often rush guys who are showing no ability to get to the quarterback.

Haynesworth has been our second most effective rusher, and he didn't even appear in four games. Landry is our third most effective rusher and only rushes 4 or 5 times a game. Kedric Golston and Adam Carriker don't get to the quarterback with any consistency despite their chances. Both Lorenzo Alexander and Andre Carter need to be better in their situational usage patterns.

I think the group would benefit from a second full-time pass rushing option, but to complement Orakpo, it needs to be someone who can rush inside and outside effectively. That may be Chris Wilson. The way our defense has been, I think we can afford to send Rocky to the bench, and start Lorenzo Alexander at ILB. This would allow us to get Chris Wilson on the field for as many snaps as Carter gets without changing Carter's role at all. I thought we'd use McIntosh more in pressure schemes, but I've never seen anyone get cut block so consistently and go flying through the air so hilariously.

But I think that one more every-down pass rusher would really make a big difference in how often we get to the quarterback. Haynesworth is tied for second on our team in both QB hits and sacks. He's a good player, but he's played in what, 20% of our snaps this year as a team? It's the other 80% that are a problem when Haynesworth is out and Rocky is in. We just lose that pass rush without gaining any coverage ability.

[CRedskinsRule]

Anyone remember what our pass rush was before AH came, anemic I believe. We need to see continued play by AH, which I think we will, and that will open it up for whoever lines up at the other End/OLB spots. I think the biggest change for the last 7 games, will be AH's continuous play without distraction. Golsten, Keamouto, etc all are ok, but not elite players, if we rely mainly on them we will not see much improvement in the rush.

[GTripp0012]

I think we can be tough to throw on in the second half, but only if we pressure QBs a lot more than in the first half.

[hooskins]

GTripp, wouldn't you say our pass rush has been very effective against poor and injured OLs? I would say it hasn't really "gone" anywhere; it was never really there.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

GTripp, wouldn't you say our pass rush has been very effective against poor and injured OLs? I would say it hasn't really "gone" anywhere; it was never really there.

Last year it was a legit pass rushing line, top quartile in the NFL, and more or less with the same personnel.

You can tell where the sack production is lacking vs. last year: Andre Carter. But Carter's thing is not the level of his performance, but that he's not an every down player in this defense. Between him and Carriker and Alexander and whoever else plays that position in the defense, we're getting but a fraction of what Carter provided all by himself last season.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Last year it was a legit pass rushing line, top quartile in the NFL, and more or less with the same personnel.

You can tell where the sack production is lacking vs. last year: Andre Carter. But Carter's thing is not the level of his performance, but that he's not an every down player in this defense. Between him and Carriker and Alexander and whoever else plays that position in the defense, we're getting but a fraction of what Carter provided all by himself last season.

The problem is that the the pieces were put together by the previous FO to be a top 4-3 D-line. In that formation, Haynesworth's presence was huge, as was Orakpo's emergence as a pass rushing SAM, all but guaranteeing that Carter faced a single blocker on passing downs. Everyone knew that Carter would be a weak link as a 3-4 OLB, and I credit Haslett for adjusting after Carter's rough start, and converting him to a pass russ specialist the last few games.

[SFREDSKIN]

It left with the 4-3 defense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The problem is that the the pieces were put together by the previous FO to be a top 4-3 D-line. In that formation, Haynesworth's presence was huge, as was Orakpo's emergence as a pass rushing SAM, all but guaranteeing that Carter faced a single blocker on passing downs. Everyone knew that Carter would be a weak link as a 3-4 OLB, and I credit Haslett for adjusting after Carter's rough start, and converting him to a pass russ specialist the last few games.

Well, the most common four man line this year is Haynesworth, Holliday/Golston, Orakpo, and Carter. That's last year's most common line except with Griffin instead of Holliday. So the nickel personnel isn't really different at all.

The standard downs personnel is a lot different, namely, that Carter isn't on the field and hasn't been since week three, really. You have Kemo in the middle, Carriker and Golston at the "ends" with Orakpo coming off the very edge. It's that group that needs to get to the QB more often. Perhaps with that group, we need to bring more guys? Kemo can eat a block or two, but if Carriker and Golston can't beat one on ones, it's just Orakpo with no help in the standard downs pressure unit.

We do a lot more 3 man rushes than we did last year, which is another reason for the decreased sack rate = more guys in coverage. But that's not the whole difference. We just don't rush anyone consistently besides Orakpo.

[skinsfaninok]

We only have 1 good rusher and thats Rak.. AH helps when he actually tries

[The Goat]

I don't really understand our defensive scheme to be honest. Haslett talked about getting more turnovers w/ his scheme. That has certainly been the case but I wonder if over time the turnovers will gravitate back toward average levels. And if/when that happens this defense has what to offer exactly?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't really understand our defensive scheme to be honest. Haslett talked about getting more turnovers w/ his scheme. That has certainly been the case but I wonder if over time the turnovers will gravitate back toward average levels. And if/when that happens this defense has what to offer exactly?

Look our defense has given up alot of yards but we have held most ooponets around 20 points a game. Our offense has given up 2 TD's 2 weeks i a row to the Bears and Lions on turnovers. Our Defense has forced 19 take aways but due to how poor our offense is playing they have not taken advantage of the turnovers. If we had the Saints offense we would be scoring 28 to 30 points a game with all the take aways.

[NYCSkin]

Excellent analysis. I've often thought that Chris Wilson is underutilized in this defense kinda like Lorenzo Alexander was previously. We should be using Wilson more like Cameron Wake (another former BC Lion) and get him attacking the QB which is his forté...

[30gut]

I'm surprised we don't scissors blitz the ILB more often b/c its been a staple of the Pittsburgh 3-4.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm surprised we don't scissors blitz the ILB more often b/c its been a staple of the Pittsburgh 3-4.

"Scissors Blitz"? Is that a technical term? I have never heard it called that before. I know what you are talking about though.

BTW when I read scissors the first thing that popped in my mind was Mrs. Garrison with the Persian Prince.

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[SouperMeister]

The more that Haynesworth is in the game, the better that our pash rush will be. He has looked unblockable for much of the last two games.