Plus and Minus - Cowboys Game

[KI Skins Fan]

Plus

1. Josh Norman was truly elite in this game. Covered and caused a turnover.
2. S'ua Cravens came in made big plays, moving the Boys backwards.
3. Nice game played by Trent Murphy. He has more bend in his rush.
4. Good game by Matt Jones. Good vision. Great effort.
5. We got people wide open deep several times.
6. The pass protection was very good.

Minus

1. Kirk played a poor game. Too bad, because he was the key today.
2. There were other minuses but I don't care to go there because if Kirk had played well today we would have won easily. He's being paid $20MM for this season alone, so there is no longer room for talk of learning, developing, or getting better. Now that he's being paid like an elite QB, there is only put up or shut up.

[Schneed10]

You build an offense with the best weapons we've had since The Posse, and the QB is still the reason we lost. That's an indictment.

Even if Kirk plays like he's normally capable the rest of the way, have you seen enough at this point to doubt his poise?

If he's this shaky now, how will he play in the playoffs?

He's got 14 more games to get right, but man does he need to get right. The three missed deep balls were really bad. Crowder, Jackson, and I'm counting the underthrow to Doctson as a miss - on all three of them the WR had so many steps on their guy. They were so goddamn open it wasn't even funny. Still missed them.

That's not just bad QB play, it's the kind of QB play that loses you a game you should easily win.

I'm so fucking frustrated.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You build an offense with the best weapons we've had since The Posse, and the QB is still the reason we lost. That's an indictment.

Even if Kirk plays like he's normally capable the rest of the way, have you seen enough at this point to doubt his poise?

If he's this shaky now, how will he play in the playoffs?

He's got 14 more games to get right, but man does he need to get right. The three missed deep balls were really bad. Crowder, Jackson, and I'm counting the underthrow to Doctson as a miss - on all three of them the WR had so many steps on their guy. They were so goddamn open it wasn't even funny. Still missed them.

That's not just bad QB play, it's the kind of QB play that loses you a game you should easily win.

I'm so fucking frustrated.

The throw to Doctson, oh my god!!! (i know i sound like a schoolgirl). The whole defense ran away from Doctson, and Kirk had time. That was crazy awful. That was no more or less than a preseason pitch and catch. Oh wait Kirk and Doctson didn't play together then...

[sandtrapjack]

Admittedly, KC did leave some throws on the field. But to put the game entirely on his shoulders is uncalled for.

It was only 3 points, but Washington was playing in the 4th quarter with the lead. Why did Matt Jones only get 13 touches the whole game?

Dallas gave Washington a very short field on consecutive possessions. Botched on-side kick, then, Elliot fumbled. 2 short fields and yielded only 2 field goals.

After the interception, Dallas goes on 11 play 80 yard drive. Defense had 10 plays and 80 yards to stop them.

Dallas offense had 5 scoring drives. 4 of which were 75 yards and greater (76, 94, 75, 80).

The defense and offensive play calling left just as much on the field as people are accusing KC of doing.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Admittedly, KC did leave some throws on the field. But to put the game entirely on his shoulders is uncalled for.

It was only 3 points, but Washington was playing in the 4th quarter with the lead. Why did Matt Jones only get 13 touches the whole game?

Dallas gave Washington a very short field on consecutive possessions. Botched on-side kick, then, Elliot fumbled. 2 short fields and yielded only 2 field goals.

After the interception, Dallas goes on 11 play 80 yard drive. Defense had 10 plays and 80 yards to stop them.

Dallas offense had 5 scoring drives. 4 of which were 75 yards and greater (76, 94, 75, 80).

The defense and offensive play calling left just as much on the field as people are accusing KC of doing.

Oh look who showed up. Go back under your rock.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Admittedly, KC did leave some throws on the field. But to put the game entirely on his shoulders is uncalled for.

It was only 3 points, but Washington was playing in the 4th quarter with the lead. Why did Matt Jones only get 13 touches the whole game?

Dallas gave Washington a very short field on consecutive possessions. Botched on-side kick, then, Elliot fumbled. 2 short fields and yielded only 2 field goals.

After the interception, Dallas goes on 11 play 80 yard drive. Defense had 10 plays and 80 yards to stop them.

Dallas offense had 5 scoring drives. 4 of which were 75 yards and greater (76, 94, 75, 80).

The defense and offensive play calling left just as much on the field as people are accusing KC of doing.

I don't discount any of your points, Jack; however, this was a game between two teams with many of the same strengths and weaknesses except for what should have been one clear advantage for the Skins - the QB position. The Skins started a $20MM five-year QB who lead his team to the playoffs last season while the Cowboys started a rookie QB who was playing his second NFL game. If Kirk Cousins had taken charge and made the plays he needed to make, the game would have turned out differently.

No QB should be paid $20MM just to "do his part" or "manage a game". When all else is essentially even between two teams, a $20MM QB must win that game. Is it about the money for me? In a sense, it is. It is about the quality of play to be expected from a QB who is trusted enough to be paid that much.

I'm not down on Kirk. At this point, he just needs to step up and lead us to victory vs. the Giants. It can and must be done.

[Bucket]

To keep brining up the amount Kirk is making is asinine. He's only making that much because it's the amount we had to pay him to obtain our best option at QB. The guy played lights out the season before. Any rightful minded GM is going to obtain that guy and build around the team.

So please stop saying "He's not making his money". It's what we had to pay for the best option we had at the time.

It's numbing dumb to keep reading people saying that dumb shit. The dollar amount hasn't affected the team financially and we are below the cap. If he doesn't work out, so be it.

+ Josh Norman, Pass Rush
- Kirk, Pierre

[Chico23231]

To add on to what folks are saying..

Negative...Kory L play was better than week 1 from my eyes, but the penalties

Coaching especially on offense. Did anybody else think the ruled dropped pass by Dez(?) over the middle near the end of the game worth a challenge? It was close to a fumble imo



Co worker just shot me this stat, probably got off ESPN.com:

In the red zone this season, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed just five-of-17 passes for 34 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions and owns a 19.6 passer rating.


how about running the ball some in the red zone folks? Talking about where games are won and lost...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

To add on to what folks are saying..

Negative...Kory L play was better than week 1 from my eyes, but the penalties

Coaching especially on offense. Did anybody else think the ruled dropped pass by Dez(?) over the middle near the end of the game worth a challenge? It was close to a fumble imo



Co worker just shot me this stat, probably got off ESPN.com:

In the red zone this season, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed just five-of-17 passes for 34 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions and owns a 19.6 passer rating.


how about running the ball some in the red zone folks? Talking about where games are won and lost...

I think KC has started enough games now to know what he is. He's a streaky player. He's going to be up and down and that's what middle of the road QB's are. He's the best one on the roster but will never be a top guy. We probably need to realize this, the coaches need to realize it and be more balanced. Stop calling 40 + passes a game cause most of the time it won't work with him.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think KC has started enough games now to know what he is. He's a streaky player. He's going to be up and down and that's what middle of the road QB's are. He's the best one on the roster but will never be a top guy. We probably need to realize this, the coaches need to realize it and be more balanced. Stop calling 40 + passes a game cause most of the time it won't work with him.

Totally agree with you. Looking like our best off season move was not locking him up long term. FML

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

To add on to what folks are saying..

Negative...Kory L play was better than week 1 from my eyes, but the penalties

Coaching especially on offense. Did anybody else think the ruled dropped pass by Dez(?) over the middle near the end of the game worth a challenge? It was close to a fumble imo



Co worker just shot me this stat, probably got off ESPN.com:

In the red zone this season, Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins has completed just five-of-17 passes for 34 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions and owns a 19.6 passer rating.


how about running the ball some in the red zone folks? Talking about where games are won and lost...

10 of those 17 were incomplete fades. bs

[los panda]

aaron rodgers has had 2 off games to start this season, they barely beat the jags and just lost to the vikings.

2 games is a drop in the bucket, stop calling for kirk's head. bad games happen to the great ones too.

i'll reserve my judgement for the end of the season.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by los panda

aaron rodgers has had 2 off games to start this season, they barely beat the jags and just lost to the vikings.

2 games is a drop in the bucket, stop calling for kirk's head. bad games happen to the great ones too.

i'll reserve my judgement for the end of the season.

AR having two bad games is way different then KC having two bad games. AR has a wall of past accomplishments, KC the jury is still out.

I am not saying KC is trash but he is going be a up and down guy for his whole career. The past two games it looks like his demons are coming back.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by mredskins

AR having two bad games is way different then KC having two bad games. AR has a wall of past accomplishments, KC the jury is still out.

I am not saying KC is trash but he is going be a up and down guy for his whole career. The past two games it looks like his demons are coming back.

he started 2015 1-2, 3 tds and 4 ints in those games.

he finished 9-7, 29 tds and 11 ints.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by los panda

he started 2015 1-2, 3 tds and 4 ints in those games.

he finished 9-7, 29 tds and 11 ints.

the thing is this schedule compared to last years 2nd half schedule is much much harder.

I mean we play CLE for 16 games Iam sure we are all going to think KC is the next great thing.

KC has won some games and put that nice string together against inferior teams. Name me one big game KC has one against a legit top 5 - 10 NFL team?

The worst scenario with KC is if he keeps being a flash in the pan here and there. Good enough to keep us from trying to upgrade the QB position but not good enough for us to reach the next level.

KC either shit the bed or do something great; us Skins fans ain't got time for your back and fourth shit.