Suspicious Minds?

[offiss]

A nice article in the post, maybe extracted about as much as they could out of some of the skins players about Ramsey, Cooley is speaking his mind, Jansen is trying to keep things under control [classy guy] but apparently 2 things have really ticked off Ramsey,

1- he feels that Gibbs was just looking for any excuse to yank him, doesn't sound like Joe is doing his job of instilling any kind of confidence in Ramsey whatsoever. It also sounds just like it looked, Gibbs has it in for Ramsey.

2- apparently one redskin who asked to remain anonomous said, that the reciever ran the wrong route on that INT which has only infuriated Ramsey more. sounds to me like he's being scapegoated because of the lack of understanding by a WR in whom Gibbs is responsible to make sure they do know which route to run, without a word out of Gibbs.

As Cooley said if he spent the last 9 months being told he was the starter and preparing for that role, and to have that yanked out from under you after 19 minutes, well he would be pissed to.

It really sounds like to me that the players are not only behind Ramsey 110% I really believe they are looking at this situation and saying to themselves that the way Ramsey has been treated is lousy, I think his teamates really feel sorry for him, on both sides of the ball.

I still say Gibbs is forcing Brunell down everyone's throat to justify that trade, the word was Gibbs was about the only one who wanted Brunell in the organazation at the time he made the move, I still say Brunell will be so horrible that it wont be long before Ramsey gets back on the field, and I truly believe he will overcome all this garbage to be one heck of a QB!


This situation is so bizarre and out of charactor for Gibbs that I can't help but wonder if it is some kind of scam to get an advantage on dallas, I am starting to believe illdefined's theory.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...96.html?sub=AR

[DirtBagZ]

Funny how the truth comes out from the team, who watches a hell of lot more film than any of the guys on this forum, that the WR ran the wrong route. I don't think one person on the this forum even mentions that, yet all we here Gibbs blah..blah..blah, Brunell...blah..blah...blah...my precious (Gibbs and Brunell is like Gollum and the Ring from Lord of the Rings). I would love to hear people continue to go off about how friggin great Gibbs is, and yeah I am being a tough SOB, but hey this is the NFL or NOT FOR LONG as Jerry Glanville used to say. I am sick of this team being mediocre a shell of its once proud self.

So for all of you Ramsey bashers what do you have to say now, that the truth is coming out from the players that the pass, the INT that everyone here grilled Ramsey for was not his fault but the WR. St. Joe of Gibbs seems to be awful quiet about that, seems to bring his credibity into serious question. I just hope that this does not end up dividing the team, but it is going happen, because Brunell is what is is, old and washed up, and 5 yards per completion.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Funny how the truth comes out from the team, who watches a hell of lot more film than any of the guys on this forum, that the WR ran the wrong route. I don't think one person on the this forum even mentions that, yet all we here Gibbs blah..blah..blah, Brunell...blah..blah...blah...my precious (Gibbs and Brunell is like Gollum and the Ring from Lord of the Rings). I would love to hear people continue to go off about how friggin great Gibbs is, and yeah I am being a tough SOB, but hey this is the NFL or NOT FOR LONG as Jerry Glanville used to say. I am sick of this team being mediocre a shell of its once proud self.

So for all of you Ramsey bashers what do you have to say now, that the truth is coming out from the players that the pass, the INT that everyone here grilled Ramsey for was not his fault but the WR. St. Joe of Gibbs seems to be awful quiet about that, seems to bring his credibity into serious question. I just hope that this does not end up dividing the team, but it is going happen, because Brunell is what is is, old and washed up, and 5 yards per completion.

Yes it is the NFL. To paraphrase Mark Schlereth from an interview aired last night ESPN. Q-Did Coach Gibbs pull Ramsey fast? Mark-yes. Q-To fast? Mark-it's the NFL, thats how it works! Q-What would you have done? Mark-I would have pulled him to. He had most of last season, all summer, mini-camps, training camp, etc, etc, etc to impress the coaching staff, and take the team, he failed. You cannot not win in the NFL turning the ball over. Q-How do you think Ramsey should handle it? Mark-He's a big boy, this is the NFL, and he'll get over it!

Actually, I am not a Ramsey basher, but a supporter. I would have pulled him, with absolutely NO sign of improvement. It's not about a quarter of play or one errant pass or decision. It is about dozens of them. Potential is not enough, ask Jeff George

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Yes it is the NFL. To paraphrase Mark Schlereth from an interview aired last night ESPN. Q-Did Coach Gibbs pull Ramsey fast? Mark-yes. Q-To fast? Mark-it's the NFL, thats how it works! Q-What would you have done? Mark-I would have pulled him to. He had most of last season, all summer, mini-camps, training camp, etc, etc, etc to impress the coaching staff, and take the team, he failed. You cannot not win in the NFL turning the ball over. Q-How do you think Ramsey should handle it? Mark-He's a big boy, this is the NFL, and he'll get over it!

Actually, I am not a Ramsey basher, but a supporter. I would have pulled him, with absolutely NO sign of improvement. It's not about a quarter of play or one errant pass or decision. It is about dozens of them. Potential is not enough, ask Jeff George

I too am not a Ramsey-basher but yes, he has had plenty of time to make a substantial improvement to be granted and retain his role as starting quarterback based on obvious performance, which he has been unable to do.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Yes it is the NFL. To paraphrase Mark Schlereth from an interview aired last night ESPN. Q-Did Coach Gibbs pull Ramsey fast? Mark-yes. Q-To fast? Mark-it's the NFL, thats how it works! Q-What would you have done? Mark-I would have pulled him to. He had most of last season, all summer, mini-camps, training camp, etc, etc, etc to impress the coaching staff, and take the team, he failed. You cannot not win in the NFL turning the ball over. Q-How do you think Ramsey should handle it? Mark-He's a big boy, this is the NFL, and he'll get over it!

Actually, I am not a Ramsey basher, but a supporter. I would have pulled him, with absolutely NO sign of improvement. It's not about a quarter of play or one errant pass or decision. It is about dozens of them. Potential is not enough, ask Jeff George

And what has Brunell done to justify giving him the starting job? Absolutely nothing except play the most important role in the debacle that was last season. Oh, I forgot, the same standards don't apply to Brunell in this organization, do they?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by LadyT

And what has Brunell done to justify giving him the starting job? Absolutely nothing except play the most important role in the debacle that was last season. Oh, I forgot, the same standards don't apply to Brunell in this organization, do they?

While that is true, that has not been the case in the pre season this year. Brunell has been dramatically improved, while Ramsey has been SOS, different year.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

While that is true, that has not been the case in the pre season this year. Brunell has been dramatically improved, while Ramsey has been SOS, different year.

But, once the regular season started, we were back to the same old, same old. Brunell played for nearly 3 quarters and accumulated the grand total of 70 yards passing!

No TDs at all. At least Ramsey did throw a TD pass that was later nullified.

With Hall out, we are in trouble because his kicks were the only offensive points. Once again, Brunell put up zero points directing the offense.

The preseason really doesn't count. The only thing that counts is what happens when the real games are played. In that regard, Ramsey has a better record last year as a starter than does Brunell.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Yes it is the NFL. To paraphrase Mark Schlereth from an interview aired last night ESPN. Q-Did Coach Gibbs pull Ramsey fast? Mark-yes. Q-To fast? Mark-it's the NFL, thats how it works! Q-What would you have done? Mark-I would have pulled him to. He had most of last season, all summer, mini-camps, training camp, etc, etc, etc to impress the coaching staff, and take the team, he failed. You cannot not win in the NFL turning the ball over. Q-How do you think Ramsey should handle it? Mark-He's a big boy, this is the NFL, and he'll get over it!

Actually, I am not a Ramsey basher, but a supporter. I would have pulled him, with absolutely NO sign of improvement. It's not about a quarter of play or one errant pass or decision. It is about dozens of them. Potential is not enough, ask Jeff George

So based upon your own criteria then, why in the hell did we have to endure that dreadfullness, which was Mark Brunell for nine games last year? Brunell was not getting it done, yet it is nothing but excuses, excuses, the hammy this, no time with the new offense, and on and on it goes. That is what has a lot of people irked is the blatant double standard. Why is it that all of the sports columinst are now taking shots at St. Joe?

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Funny how the truth comes out from the team, who watches a hell of lot more film than any of the guys on this forum, that the WR ran the wrong route. I don't think one person on the this forum even mentions that, yet all we here Gibbs blah..blah..blah, Brunell...blah..blah...blah...my precious (Gibbs and Brunell is like Gollum and the Ring from Lord of the Rings). I would love to hear people continue to go off about how friggin great Gibbs is, and yeah I am being a tough SOB, but hey this is the NFL or NOT FOR LONG as Jerry Glanville used to say. I am sick of this team being mediocre a shell of its once proud self.

So for all of you Ramsey bashers what do you have to say now, that the truth is coming out from the players that the pass, the INT that everyone here grilled Ramsey for was not his fault but the WR. St. Joe of Gibbs seems to be awful quiet about that, seems to bring his credibity into serious question. I just hope that this does not end up dividing the team, but it is going happen, because Brunell is what is is, old and washed up, and 5 yards per completion.

This is ridiculous, it really is


Honestly, all these "fans" that have lost faith, bashed Gibbs, and put down the team, you have to feel so, so, so sorry for them. What in the world are they going to do and how are they going to feel when the Redskins win next Monday? Lost souls without a team ... to bad

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Funny how the truth comes out from the team, who watches a hell of lot more film than any of the guys on this forum, that the WR ran the wrong route. I don't think one person on the this forum even mentions that, yet all we here Gibbs blah..blah..blah, Brunell...blah..blah...blah...my precious (Gibbs and Brunell is like Gollum and the Ring from Lord of the Rings). I would love to hear people continue to go off about how friggin great Gibbs is, and yeah I am being a tough SOB, but hey this is the NFL or NOT FOR LONG as Jerry Glanville used to say. I am sick of this team being mediocre a shell of its once proud self.

So for all of you Ramsey bashers what do you have to say now, that the truth is coming out from the players that the pass, the INT that everyone here grilled Ramsey for was not his fault but the WR. St. Joe of Gibbs seems to be awful quiet about that, seems to bring his credibity into serious question. I just hope that this does not end up dividing the team, but it is going happen, because Brunell is what is is, old and washed up, and 5 yards per completion.

I agree 100%. Best post on this thread man.

[offiss]

If anyone here thinks Gibbs doesn't a real incentive to make Brunell succeed their only kidding themselves, he convinced Snyder to shell out 42 mil for this guy, I don't care how much power Gibbs has within the organazation he is spending someone elses money, signing a player is one thing, giving up a #2 for a player that was going to be released is another, but handing him 42 mil is a real problem, first a contract like that is really gonna go a long way to limiting other players we can sign to help the team as a whole, and secondly you have to explain to your employer why he's shelling 42 mil for a backup at best.

Then we can couple that with the Portis signing in which Gibbs gave up Bailey who would have bought back some nice draft picks, and a #2 pick along with 50 mil for a and I will say it again, A SYSTEM BACK! He does not fit what Gibbs wants to do or has done in the past, and yet whenever Gibbs is asked he say's he thinks Portis is a power guy, I have yet to see Portis move a pile or convert a third and short, I don't care how much weight he puts on he's not a power guy he's a speed and finase type back, which is fine if you committ to useing him that way, the problem lies that Gibbs now has to change what won him 3 SB's to accomadate his back, does anyone believe he's not trying to do whatever he has to to justify that move? It's not like he has said I screwed up Clinton is not the kind of back that fit's what I have done and what I want to do.

We now find out that IMO the best play calling coach in the NFL his first tenure is no longer calling the plays, we have Musgrave sending down plays, yes they go through Gibbs, but why? He never needed that before one of his greatest strengths as a coach is now in the hands of a coach Jacksonville couldn't get rid of fast enough, yes the same team that rivalled us with points scored last season.

I will say this and have said it in the past I don't lay Ramsey problems at his feet, and I don't even believe Brunell is as bad as he has looked, I blame Gibbs and a simplistic aproach to offense, which other defenses last season said more than once their not running anything remotly difficult to figure out, Portis himself kept saying the defenses know what we are running.

Bottom line Gibbs spent 92 million on 2 players who are not what we need and now has to look Snyder in the face everyday, if Gibbs is going to judge himself as he has stated, and that is, what's in the past is in the past, he will be judged by what he does now, how many second year coaches can spend 92 mil for 2 players that don't fit, or are washed up?

And I don't want to here about Portis's 1300 yds Gibbs probably took 2 seasons off his NFL carreer with the pounding he took trying to get him to match what he did in denver, he could have set a record for the most yards with the least yards per carry.

All we keep hearing is how much of a prideful man Gibbs is, well I believe his pride right now is not allowing him to admit to 2 huge mistakes, and has him doing anything he can to justify those moves, I still believe Portis is a tremendous talent, but is Gibbs capable of utilizing it? Personally I feel he is lost as a coach right now.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by offiss

I still say Gibbs is forcing Brunell down everyone's throat to justify that trade, the word was Gibbs was about the only one who wanted Brunell in the organazation at the time he made the move, I still say Brunell will be so horrible that it wont be long before Ramsey gets back on the field, and I truly believe he will overcome all this garbage to be one heck of a QB!

Do you honestly beleive that Gibbs is playing Brunell to prove a point regardless of the outcome? You don't think that he feels, based on his hall of fame coaching acumen that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning games? This is what I find so frustrating on the board, that the implication that the coaching staff has something other than winning games at the forefront of their decisions. Not all decisions are going to be the right ones (keeping A. Brown on the roster after the poor pre-season) but I'm still willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Even if Brunell 'is so horrible' that a change has to be made, it will be Campbell taking the field, Ramsey (unless an injury occurs in the next 3 games) will never get meaningful snaps as a Redskin again. The coaching staff (not just Gibbs I'm willing to bet) has no confidence in him so if your current QB is 'so horrible' to the point of replacing him I would assume the team is losing games so give your future some game time experience and exposure. Team insiders already say that he is the best QB on the roster anyway.

[SmootSmack]

I wonder how many Brunell Bashers have ever entertained the possibility that receivers were running the wrong routes last season, or players weren't following the right blocking schemes, etc. etc.?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you honestly beleive that Gibbs is playing Brunell to prove a point regardless of the outcome? You don't think that he feels, based on his hall of fame coaching acumen that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning games? This is what I find so frustrating on the board, that the implication that the coaching staff has something other than winning games at the forefront of their decisions. Not all decisions are going to be the right ones (keeping A. Brown on the roster after the poor pre-season) but I'm still willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Even if Brunell 'is so horrible' that a change has to be made, it will be Campbell taking the field, Ramsey (unless an injury occurs in the next 3 games) will never get meaningful snaps as a Redskin again. The coaching staff (not just Gibbs I'm willing to bet) has no confidence in him so if your current QB is 'so horrible' to the point of replacing him I would assume the team is losing games so give your future some game time experience and exposure. Team insiders already say that he is the best QB on the roster anyway.

Bah, nonsense.

Gibbs doesn't want to win, he wants to push his personal agenda. Because Gibbs has a history of doing this sort of thing, right? Putting his personal agendas ahead of the good of the team?

Please. It's getting very X-Files up in here. :frusty:

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you honestly beleive that Gibbs is playing Brunell to prove a point regardless of the outcome? You don't think that he feels, based on his hall of fame coaching acumen that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning games? This is what I find so frustrating on the board, that the implication that the coaching staff has something other than winning games at the forefront of their decisions. Not all decisions are going to be the right ones (keeping A. Brown on the roster after the poor pre-season) but I'm still willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Even if Brunell 'is so horrible' that a change has to be made, it will be Campbell taking the field, Ramsey (unless an injury occurs in the next 3 games) will never get meaningful snaps as a Redskin again. The coaching staff (not just Gibbs I'm willing to bet) has no confidence in him so if your current QB is 'so horrible' to the point of replacing him I would assume the team is losing games so give your future some game time experience and exposure. Team insiders already say that he is the best QB on the roster anyway.

Amen!