The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb

lifetimeskin · 03-04-2006, 08:12 PM

I guess I don't understand the NFLPA's reasoning. The owners are just that, I don't see the employees at Microsoft going to Gates asking for a spare billion. Isn't it Snyder that holds a $600M note for buying the skins, I certainly don't think Arrignton is making any of the debt service payments for Snyder. Where is the player's risk? I don't want to hear injuries, because, if I got paid $1.8M (see below) even for one year, I am sure I could pay off all my debts, buy a nice house, and finish any degree I wanted.

If my math is correct, the salary cap is $95M/team if there are 32 teams that adds up to $3billion in salaries. I have NO sympathy for someone threating management when the average salary is $1.8M ($95M/52 players). I am sure my math is not exact, but I don't think I am too far off.

This is just greed, down and dirty greed. The players need to get their head our of their respective *sses and realize the mathematics of the industry they happen to be a part of. If they push it, there will be the have and have nots, and the average salary will probably go down. Worst, they could have a Hockey type of lockout.

I think this is Upshaw's :smashfrea doing, from the eralier article from the Minnesota center, it seems that NOT all the players know what's going on, or have all the facts. Upshaw has got to have BIG BRASS ONES, to negotiate someonelse's salary with the risk of coming away with nothing.

just my 2 cents (NOT millions)

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-04-2006, 08:42 PM

Right now the labor dispute isn't based on the players being greedy. Rather, the owners are fighting amongst themselves as to 1) how to define gross revenues, and 2) how much "cash over cap" should be allowed. Thus the fight is between the super-rich owners and their even richer counterparts.

In any event, I don't have the slightest sympathy for any party that is even remotely involved. The owners are the richest of them all and while they put up the dough to buy the franchise, they don't sweat or shed blood on Sundays. The players are extremely well paid.

RedskinPete · 03-05-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Right now the labor dispute isn't based on the players being greedy. Rather, the owners are fighting amongst themselves as to 1) how to define gross revenues, and 2) how much "cash over cap" should be allowed. Thus the fight is between the super-rich owners and their even richer counterparts.

In any event, I don't have the slightest sympathy for any party that is even remotely involved. The owners are the richest of them all and while they put up the dough to buy the franchise, they don't sweat or shed blood on Sundays. The players are extremely well paid.

I think you are some what wrong!! Yea the owns have the the cash over cap thing but asking 60 percent of the pie is to much!!! I dont' care about the sweat thing because we all do that each day of the week! Many of us would love 60 percent of the pie as well! PA is taking them down a road they can't win!!!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-05-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I think you are some what wrong!! Yea the owns have the the cash over cap thing but asking 60 percent of the pie is to much!!! I dont' care about the sweat thing because we all do that each day of the week! Many of us would love 60 percent of the pie as well! PA is taking them down a road they can't win!!!

Okay, so instead of siding with the millionaires, you're siding with the billionaires? Sorry if I don't cry about the owners or players not being able to afford a solid-gold gulfstream.

RedskinPete · 03-05-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Okay, so instead of siding with the millionaires, you're siding with the billionaires? Sorry if I don't cry about the owners or players not being able to afford a solid-gold gulfstream.

It wasn't for these billionaires there wouldn't be the NFL! Or Dell or Microsoft or GM or what ever!!! These men put thier ass on the line! It would be like you putting together a high paying law firm and lawyers telling YOU what and how you will pay them! I am not for owners I am for a man being able to run his buisness with in the law! Setting how much he pays his workers! Not having anyone like Government come in and set pay rates! If the players wanted to set up thier own league and it is good then it will beat out the owners! More power to them!!!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-05-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

It wasn't for these billionaires there wouldn't be the NFL! Or Dell or Microsoft or GM or what ever!!! These men put thier ass on the line! It would be like you putting together a high paying law firm and lawyers telling YOU what and how you will pay them! I am not for owners I am for a man being able to run his buisness with in the law! Setting how much he pays his workers! Not having anyone like Government come in and set pay rates! If the players wanted to set up thier own league and it is good then it will beat out the owners! More power to them!!!

#1. If it wasn't for the players, there wouldn't be football games worth watching.

#2. The owners put their asses on the line? What NFL owner hasn't made bundles on the acquisition of a team?

#3. I'm not sure how the whole law thing comes into play.

All I am saying is I just haven't taken a side in this fight. All sides are being greedy. I don't care who "wins."

SmootSmack · 03-05-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I think you are some what wrong!! Yea the owns have the the cash over cap thing but asking 60 percent of the pie is to much!!! I dont' care about the sweat thing because we all do that each day of the week! Many of us would love 60 percent of the pie as well! PA is taking them down a road they can't win!!!

you see people? you see?!!....it all comes back to pie

Gwilljest · 03-05-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Right now the labor dispute isn't based on the players being greedy. Rather, the owners are fighting amongst themselves as to 1) how to define gross revenues, and 2) how much "cash over cap" should be allowed. Thus the fight is between the super-rich owners and their even richer counterparts.

In any event, I don't have the slightest sympathy for any party that is even remotely involved. The owners are the richest of them all and while they put up the dough to buy the franchise, they don't sweat or shed blood on Sundays. The players are extremely well paid.

Jagshamash!

That Guy · 03-04-2006, 08:53 PM

no sympathy for anyone here either. just too much greed for me.

I don't even care what they decide at this point, I just want an answer.

saden1 · 03-04-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I guess I don't understand the NFLPA's reasoning. The owners are just that, I don't see the employees at Microsoft going to Gates asking for a spare billion. Isn't it Snyder that holds a $600M note for buying the skins, I certainly don't think Arrignton is making any of the debt service payments for Snyder. Where is the player's risk? I don't want to hear injuries, because, if I got paid $1.8M (see below) even for one year, I am sure I could pay off all my debts, buy a nice house, and finish any degree I wanted.

If my math is correct, the salary cap is $95M/team if there are 32 teams that adds up to $3billion in salaries. I have NO sympathy for someone threating management when the average salary is $1.8M ($95M/52 players). I am sure my math is not exact, but I don't think I am too far off.

This is just greed, down and dirty greed. The players need to get their head our of their respective *sses and realize the mathematics of the industry they happen to be a part of. If they push it, there will be the have and have nots, and the average salary will probably go down. Worst, they could have a Hockey type of lockout.

I think this is Upshaw's :smashfrea doing, from the eralier article from the Minnesota center, it seems that NOT all the players know what's going on, or have all the facts. Upshaw has got to have BIG BRASS ONES, to negotiate someonelse's salary with the risk of coming away with nothing.

just my 2 cents (NOT millions)

That's the most absurd argument I have ever heard. Are you seriously 40? Arrington has his own dept to pay. Those nice rides and mansions don't pay for themselves. And you can't compare your average Joe to NFL players. That's just stupid. If Microsoft isn't paying you enough you can jump ship to Google or Yahoo or whatever company is hiring and make more. If I want make the most money as football player there is only the NFL.

mattdouthat · 03-04-2006, 10:16 PM

No one forces them to bye exspensive houses and cars. If they spent money wisley not on all excess they dont need they could live off their money for years. I only make 25,000 a yera and manage to pay all my bills. If owners didnt pay for stadiums and teams would be no NFL. Is alot easier to replace a player than an owner. I could never go to my boss and tell him what he is gonna pay me or I will not come to work. I would be fired. Players today are spoiled and pampered. Go back to the early days of the league they did not make loads of cash but they loved the game. If they whine cause they only make a million dollars then they need to realize how privaliged they are.

dan_snyder69 · 03-04-2006, 10:21 PM

Lifetimeskin I would have to agree with you. The owners and the players are both being too greedy. However, the players may not only be greedy, but stupid also. History has shown that the owners hold the upper hand in these negotiations (they have been able to lock out the players before, get cheap replacements, and recover to become the most financially fit league in the world.) If the players had paid more attention in school, they might realize that history tends to repeat itself.

This union rep, Upshaw, seems like he's not even in touch with his constituents. Right now, he's playing with money that's not even his to lose. He may be royally screwing the people he's supposed to be helping, only time will tell.

lifetimeskin · 03-04-2006, 10:40 PM

Saden1-

What "dept" is Arrington buying? Is it an apartment or department?? Absurd??? Who are you kidding? I note your wide knowledge of finance. If I invest in a venture, why shouldn't I keep the fruits of such a venture? I took the risk. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Maybe even have departments within my venture.

Your argument about "only one NFL" is so obvious. Enlighten us please. We all know there is only one NFL, but if a player doens't f**king like it, go to the Canadian Football League. The Microsoft example was (and is) valid, just like there is one top dog in football, there is only one Microsoft. Have you in your infinite wisdom forgotten that UNLIKE the NFL, Microsoft was sued by the Justice Department, under the antitrust laws. Not once but TWICE!

I can compare an average Joe to an NFL player, when both are in a union. A union to help an average Joe with health benefits, retirement, and maybe moving from $15/hr to $20/hr is something that most people can relate to, maybe you can't, but many can. I can’t blame the union for asking for more for their players, but NOT at the risk of coming away with less!

I am 40, how was recess yesterday?

That Guy · 03-04-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

Saden1-

What "dept" is Arrington buying? Is it an apartment or department?? Absurd??? Who are you kidding? I note your wide knowledge of finance. If I invest in a venture, why shouldn't I keep the fruits of such a venture? I took the risk. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Maybe even have departments within my venture.

Your argument about "only one NFL" is so obvious. Enlighten us please. We all know there is only one NFL, but if a player doens't f**king like it, go to the Canadian Football League. The Microsoft example was (and is) valid, just like there is one top dog in football, there is only one Microsoft. Have you in your infinite wisdom forgotten that UNLIKE the NFL, Microsoft was sued by the Justice Department, under the antitrust laws. Not once but TWICE!

I can compare an average Joe to an NFL player, when both are in a union. A union to help an average Joe with health benefits, retirement, and maybe moving from $15/hr to $20/hr is something that most people can relate to, maybe you can't, but many can. I can’t blame the union for asking for more for their players, but NOT at the risk of coming away with less!

I am 40, how was recess yesterday?

and without a cba, the nfl will be eventually be sued under the anti-trust laws as well.

saden1 · 03-04-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

Saden1-

What "dept" is Arrington buying? Is it an apartment or department?? Absurd??? Who are you kidding? I note your wide knowledge of finance. If I invest in a venture, why shouldn't I keep the fruits of such a venture? I took the risk. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Maybe even have departments within my venture.

Your argument about "only one NFL" is so obvious. Enlighten us please. We all know there is only one NFL, but if a player doens't f**king like it, go to the Canadian Football League. The Microsoft example was (and is) valid, just like there is one top dog in football, there is only one Microsoft. Have you in your infinite wisdom forgotten that UNLIKE the NFL, Microsoft was sued by the Justice Department, under the antitrust laws. Not once but TWICE!

I can compare an average Joe to an NFL player, when both are in a union. A union to help an average Joe with health benefits, retirement, and maybe moving from $15/hr to $20/hr is something that most people can relate to, maybe you can't, but many can. I can’t blame the union for asking for more for their players, but NOT at the risk of coming away with less!

I am 40, how was recess yesterday?

If you start a company I agree that you should be able to set the rules for how you manage your money. I as an employee I have the right to maximize my earning. That's capitalism too. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to win and maximize your earnings as an owner, it's in your best interest to field the best players just like it's in the best interest of Microsoft to hire the brightest people. You think the NFL wants to have an anti-trust suits against them? No. Why? Cause they are an illegal entity.

Arrington's money is his money. He can do whatever he wants with it as he EARNED watching vidoes, studying play books and spending countless of hours at the gym. It's not like Arrington is STEALING from Snyder. You make it sound like the players are blackmailing Snyder and et al. If that were true the NFL wouldn't have a CBA to begin with. This is business and everyone has to find mutually satisfactory middle ground.

Last time I checked "if you don't like it, **** off" rarely helps you solve problems. There are many forms of anti-trust. Microsoft's anti trust problems are not out of labor disputes but rather anti competitive activities (killing the competition so to speak). One cannot make comparison between NFL employees and Microsoft employees because Microsoft employees aren't threatening to walkout.

I can't relate to being in a union as I have never been in one. But I do know that the job of a union is not to get screwed in the long run and if that means you hurt a little now so be it. BTW going from $15 to $20 is a 20% increase. The NFL players would be very happy to get 5 percent raise.

I don't know anything about recess but I do know that country folks know nothing about big money. When you do, let me know.

03-04-2006, 08:53 PM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,574	Re: The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb no sympathy for anyone here either. just too much greed for me. I don't even care what they decide at this point, I just want an answer.

03-04-2006, 10:16 PM	#11
mattdouthat Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 50	Re: The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb No one forces them to bye exspensive houses and cars. If they spent money wisley not on all excess they dont need they could live off their money for years. I only make 25,000 a yera and manage to pay all my bills. If owners didnt pay for stadiums and teams would be no NFL. Is alot easier to replace a player than an owner. I could never go to my boss and tell him what he is gonna pay me or I will not come to work. I would be fired. Players today are spoiled and pampered. Go back to the early days of the league they did not make loads of cash but they loved the game. If they whine cause they only make a million dollars then they need to realize how privaliged they are.

03-04-2006, 10:21 PM	#12
dan_snyder69 Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: maryland & south carolina Posts: 92	Re: The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb Lifetimeskin I would have to agree with you. The owners and the players are both being too greedy. However, the players may not only be greedy, but stupid also. History has shown that the owners hold the upper hand in these negotiations (they have been able to lock out the players before, get cheap replacements, and recover to become the most financially fit league in the world.) If the players had paid more attention in school, they might realize that history tends to repeat itself. This union rep, Upshaw, seems like he's not even in touch with his constituents. Right now, he's playing with money that's not even his to lose. He may be royally screwing the people he's supposed to be helping, only time will tell.

03-04-2006, 10:40 PM	#13
lifetimeskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 59 Posts: 84	Re: The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb Saden1- What "dept" is Arrington buying? Is it an apartment or department?? Absurd??? Who are you kidding? I note your wide knowledge of finance. If I invest in a venture, why shouldn't I keep the fruits of such a venture? I took the risk. Have you ever heard of capitalism? Maybe even have departments within my venture. Your argument about "only one NFL" is so obvious. Enlighten us please. We all know there is only one NFL, but if a player doens't f**king like it, go to the Canadian Football League. The Microsoft example was (and is) valid, just like there is one top dog in football, there is only one Microsoft. Have you in your infinite wisdom forgotten that UNLIKE the NFL, Microsoft was sued by the Justice Department, under the antitrust laws. Not once but TWICE! I can compare an average Joe to an NFL player, when both are in a union. A union to help an average Joe with health benefits, retirement, and maybe moving from $15/hr to $20/hr is something that most people can relate to, maybe you can't, but many can. I can’t blame the union for asking for more for their players, but NOT at the risk of coming away with less! I am 40, how was recess yesterday? __________________ ---lifetime skin

03-04-2006, 08:12 PM	#1
lifetimeskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 59 Posts: 84	The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy and/or Dumb I guess I don't understand the NFLPA's reasoning. The owners are just that, I don't see the employees at Microsoft going to Gates asking for a spare billion. Isn't it Snyder that holds a $600M note for buying the skins, I certainly don't think Arrignton is making any of the debt service payments for Snyder. Where is the player's risk? I don't want to hear injuries, because, if I got paid $1.8M (see below) even for one year, I am sure I could pay off all my debts, buy a nice house, and finish any degree I wanted. If my math is correct, the salary cap is $95M/team if there are 32 teams that adds up to $3billion in salaries. I have NO sympathy for someone threating management when the average salary is $1.8M ($95M/52 players). I am sure my math is not exact, but I don't think I am too far off. This is just greed, down and dirty greed. The players need to get their head our of their respective *sses and realize the mathematics of the industry they happen to be a part of. If they push it, there will be the have and have nots, and the average salary will probably go down. Worst, they could have a Hockey type of lockout. I think this is Upshaw's :smashfrea doing, from the eralier article from the Minnesota center, it seems that NOT all the players know what's going on, or have all the facts. Upshaw has got to have BIG BRASS ONES, to negotiate someonelse's salary with the risk of coming away with nothing. just my 2 cents (NOT millions) __________________ ---lifetime skin

03-04-2006, 08:42 PM	#2
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: The CBA: The NFLPA and Players Are Greedy Right now the labor dispute isn't based on the players being greedy. Rather, the owners are fighting amongst themselves as to 1) how to define gross revenues, and 2) how much "cash over cap" should be allowed. Thus the fight is between the super-rich owners and their even richer counterparts. In any event, I don't have the slightest sympathy for any party that is even remotely involved. The owners are the richest of them all and while they put up the dough to buy the franchise, they don't sweat or shed blood on Sundays. The players are extremely well paid.

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