Should we have gone after Givens?

[elamin24]

Hey, I was thinking that David Givens might have been a better fit than the recievers we just got. Ok, I understand that they are "big play" guys, but I think I would rather have a guy who is more consistent. Am I the only one who thinks this?

[drew54]

We chose to got after Randel-El so hard because he is a proven special teamer.

Lloyd was a target due to his leaping abilities.

I'm sure Givens was # 3 on our list though.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Actually, I said a few days ago I'd rather get Givens off of Free Agency than have to spend picks on Lloyd......so I'm with you.
However, now that we have Lloyd and R.El., I've embraced them both as new Skins. After proving they have an eye for WRs (see Moss last year), I'm not about to question the coaching staff now. I guess there was either something about Givens they didn't like or something about Lloyd they loved.

[Beemnseven]

Not that it matters now, but I would have preferred Givens if it didn't mean we had to part with draft picks to get him.

Can we please have a draft with all of our picks intact?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Not that it matters now, but I would have preferred Givens if it didn't mean we had to part with draft picks to get him.

Can we please have a draft with all of our picks intact?

Hah a draft in which the Skins have all their picks...you must be silly

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Not that it matters now, but I would have preferred Givens if it didn't mean we had to part with draft picks to get him.

Can we please have a draft with all of our picks intact?

Why?

This current front office seems to do much better in evaluating free agents than they do rookies.

At least we're getting proven talent.

Yeah I know, this way of doing things costs alot more, but Snyder and company seem to have the cap massage down to a science, so I say stick with what they do best.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why?

This current front office seems to do much better in evaluating free agents than they do rookies.

At least we're getting proven talent.

Yeah I know, this way of doing things costs alot more, but Snyder and company seem to have the cap massage down to a science, so I say stick with what they do best.

I to would love to keep our draft picks but I have to tell you we haven't been that great at getting draft picks to turn in to NFL players! Also you spend a lot of money waiting for a player to take over a spot on your team and in most cases it takes a few years. Many times rookies hold out missing camp time and you never know if a great college player can deal with the NFL demands! Just look at the four free agents we picked up Monday. All seem to be of good character and sound NFL players! A college kid you just never know if what he did in college can be done on a NFL field. Just look at the top two rounds of a draft and see just how many do become great NFL player and how many are goen in four or less years! I think you can build a team with free agents,trades and the draft. The up coming draft we need to hit on a few of the pick and not just the 2nd rounder. But we are in a spot now we can pick the best player not pick for need!!! :headbange

[VTSkins897]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why?

This current front office seems to do much better in evaluating free agents than they do rookies.

At least we're getting proven talent.

Yeah I know, this way of doing things costs alot more, but Snyder and company seem to have the cap massage down to a science, so I say stick with what they do best.

agreed. it's worked well for us. trade picks for guys that have proven themselves for a few years. at least allow other teams deal with the adjustment to the NFL.

seems like it's getting rarer and rarer for a guy to stick with one team for an entire career anyhow...

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why?

This current front office seems to do much better in evaluating free agents than they do rookies.

At least we're getting proven talent.

Yeah I know, this way of doing things costs alot more, but Snyder and company seem to have the cap massage down to a science, so I say stick with what they do best.

Well, if one playoff appearance in 6 seasons represents the "best" this front office has to offer, and if what you say is true -- that since they can't evaluate rookies, they simply leave it to other teams to do all the scouting work, that doesn't exactly speak well for Snyderatto & Co.

Unfortunately, you're right on about the draft picks. Even the "can't miss" 1st and 2nd rounders like Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs are wonderful examples of this front office's incompetence in drafting.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, if one playoff appearance in 6 seasons represents the "best" this front office has to offer, and if what you say is true -- that since they can't evaluate rookies, they simply leave it to other teams to do all the scouting work, that doesn't exactly speak well for Snyderatto & Co.

Unfortunately, you're right on about the draft picks. Even the "can't miss" 1st and 2nd rounders like Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs are wonderful examples of this front office's incompetence in drafting.

I'm counting since Gibbs came back, since that is the current front office setup.

Pre-Gibbs, who cares. It's not relevant.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, if one playoff appearance in 6 seasons represents the "best" this front office has to offer, and if what you say is true -- that since they can't evaluate rookies, they simply leave it to other teams to do all the scouting work, that doesn't exactly speak well for Snyderatto & Co.

Unfortunately, you're right on about the draft picks. Even the "can't miss" 1st and 2nd rounders like Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs are wonderful examples of this front office's incompetence in drafting.

What about Cooley and Dockery, Rock Cartwright, Smoot, Pierce, etc...

[TrustinGibbs]

I liked Givens too. I think part of it might being Gibbs being snake bitten by Pat's recievers after signing Patten. Maybe they are products of a great system that wont work out elsewhere.

Also Randle El and Lloyd would seem to have much bigger upsides that Givens who is solid but might be as good right now as he is ever going to be.

We went that route last season with Moss, great upside, limited porduction in the NFL and with other questions about him(size toughness, can he be a #1)...How did that work out?

[hooskins]

Lloyd would be alot cheaper than Givens, and I think another important factor is Lloyd's potential. We all know he can jump and catch, but I guess the coaches see the potential of him hitting the next level, and it would be a bit cheaper. It is basically like gambling. We could spend more money for a good expected turnout(Givens), or we could spend a little less and have the chance for an amazing outcome(Lloyd).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Lloyd would be alot cheaper than Givens, and I think another important factor is Lloyd's potential. We all know he can jump and catch, but I guess the coaches see the potential of him hitting the next level, and it would be a bit cheaper. It is basically like gambling. We could spend more money for a good expected turnout(Givens), or we could spend a little less and have the chance for an amazing outcome(Lloyd).

lloyd will NOT be cheaper than givens, but his talent/potential is much greater. he put up 700+ yards with alex smith, givens pu up 700+ with tom brady.

[diehardskin2982]

no we also still have patten, furia, and cooley who are more than willing to do the dirty work. This offense is gonna give opposing defensive minds migraines trying to stop them.