Discuss: Cerrato Extension

BrudLee · 04-15-2006, 08:51 AM

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=12118

Vinny Cerrato has, for reasons unbeknownst to me, inspired quite a bit of animosity among this and other fan sites. Here's why this doesn't upset me at all:

By and large, I've been happy with the player acquisitions of the past two years. Some of the moves (moving Coles, releasing Arrington) have been controversial, but I think we all see that the team is better for them. While Cerrato may not be the guiding hand behind them, he has been the person who facilitates those moves, and clearly Gibbs thinks he handles that well.

I also wonder why "White Shirt" Vinny gets the grief he does. He has worked in football for years (1986-1991, Head of Recruiting, Notre Dame; 1991-1994, Director of College Scouting, 49ers; 1995-1999, Director of Player Personnel, 49ers) before he began to play handball with Dan Snyder, so denigrating him for his friendship with the owners rings false.

Sammy Baugh Fan · 04-15-2006, 09:05 AM

Well, I still don't like his aftershave and you never even addressed that issue.

I guess my thought has been if Gibbs has him around...I trust that.

Good info. I didn't know that stuff.

peace
mike

BrudLee · 04-15-2006, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

Well, I still don't like his aftershave and you never even addressed that issue.

Good point. There's something about an Aqua Velva man...

Schneed10 · 04-15-2006, 09:36 AM

I see Vinny as an asset actually. He's not someone you want making final decisions. And he doesn't make any final decisions for the Redskins. But he's good at collecting information for Gibbs to make a decision on. That's pretty much all he is. Some people seem to expect him to be more than that, or want him to be more than that. But I think you need to appreciate him for what he is, a hard worker who's willing to put in a lot of time collecting information on players.

Defensewins · 04-15-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I see Vinny as an asset actually. He's not someone you want making final decisions. And he doesn't make any final decisions for the Redskins. But he's good at collecting information for Gibbs to make a decision on. That's pretty much all he is. Some people seem to expect him to be more than that, or want him to be more than that. But I think you need to appreciate him for what he is, a hard worker who's willing to put in a lot of time collecting information on players.

Vinny is an overpaid scout. That is all he does and makes a ton of dough.

Schneed10 · 04-17-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Vinny is an overpaid scout. That is all he does and makes a ton of dough.

Who the H-E-double hockey sticks cares how much money he's making?? It doesn't count against the cap, so why would we care as fans whether or not he's a bargain for Dan Snyder?

You did get one part right though, he is a scout. He works well with Gibbs; he and his department collect and package information on players to provide to Gibbs. Then Gibbs (or Gregg Williams) makes the call on which players to pursue.

He doesn't have any decision making responsibilities. Those duties fall to Gibbs. But he works well with Gibbs and acts as support; and as long as Gibbs has been making the moves he has for the last two years, I don't see why we'd want to change a thing about the front office structure.

In the end he might be overpaid, but I'm not sure why we should care about that.

MTK · 04-17-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

In the end he might be overpaid, but I'm not sure why we should care about that.

Just something to bitch about.

Who isn't overpaid in the sports and entertainment industry anyway??

Gibbs makes $5M a year to coach a football team, that's insane.

mheisig · 04-17-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just something to bitch about.

Who isn't overpaid in the sports and entertainment industry anyway??

Gibbs makes $5M a year to coach a football team, that's insane.

I think the general rule of thumb when complaining on the internet is that "Anyone who makes more money than me is overpaid."

There's a large segment of society that hates to see other people make more money than they do, and most of them appear to have internet access.

That Guy · 04-15-2006, 09:55 AM

as a scout he's alright... a lot of people blame him for ramming the 49ers orginization head first into their ongoing state of craptitude, and he was also around here for some seriously bad drafts and free agency binges here. So either the bad ideas were his, or he had absolutely no power to stop them. Neither option is all that great.

Giantone · 04-15-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

as a scout he's alright... a lot of people blame him for ramming the 49ers orginization head first into their ongoing state of craptitude, and he was also around here for some seriously bad drafts and free agency binges here. So either the bad ideas were his, or he had absolutely no power to stop them. Neither option is all that great.

OK you guys need to explain this to me .You just gave the answer to the question why people don't like him,why do you like him ,Gibbs makes all the calls if not him Danny so why Vinny?

Daseal · 04-15-2006, 01:24 PM

Vinny has really improved his own stock over the last few years. He had a run where he made some awful decesions, but he's on the up and up now.

MTK · 04-15-2006, 01:30 PM

He must be doing something right.

He's not as involved in personnel as people think he is currently, and he seems to be an easy target for some people whenever they want to cry about personnel issues.

Monksdown · 04-15-2006, 02:36 PM

I have a difficult time judging his performance, because Im not 100% sure what he does.

saden1 · 04-15-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Monksdown

I have a difficult time judging his performance, because Im not 100% sure what he does.

My thoughts exactly. Preach on brother, preach on.

Master4Caster · 04-15-2006, 03:09 PM

Keep him. He's part of the Gibbs team.

The dislike came from the time when Daniel Snyder called the football shots and failed spectacularly. Cerrato was his deputy, but was not able to moderate Snyder's impulses. However, no one at that time could have contained Snyder. So, while Vinnie shares some of the blame for the '99 - '03 teams, it is a unfair to blame it all on him. Even today, there's only one man Snyder will listen to -- and it ain't Vinnie!!!

With the Redskins improvement, there are plenty of reasons to like Cerrato and Daniel Snyder.

04-15-2006, 08:51 AM	#1
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Discuss: Cerrato Extension http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=12118 Vinny Cerrato has, for reasons unbeknownst to me, inspired quite a bit of animosity among this and other fan sites. Here's why this doesn't upset me at all: By and large, I've been happy with the player acquisitions of the past two years. Some of the moves (moving Coles, releasing Arrington) have been controversial, but I think we all see that the team is better for them. While Cerrato may not be the guiding hand behind them, he has been the person who facilitates those moves, and clearly Gibbs thinks he handles that well. I also wonder why "White Shirt" Vinny gets the grief he does. He has worked in football for years (1986-1991, Head of Recruiting, Notre Dame; 1991-1994, Director of College Scouting, 49ers; 1995-1999, Director of Player Personnel, 49ers) before he began to play handball with Dan Snyder, so denigrating him for his friendship with the owners rings false. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

04-15-2006, 09:05 AM	#2
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 62 Posts: 2,507	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension Well, I still don't like his aftershave and you never even addressed that issue. I guess my thought has been if Gibbs has him around...I trust that. Good info. I didn't know that stuff. peace mike __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

04-15-2006, 09:36 AM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,427	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension I see Vinny as an asset actually. He's not someone you want making final decisions. And he doesn't make any final decisions for the Redskins. But he's good at collecting information for Gibbs to make a decision on. That's pretty much all he is. Some people seem to expect him to be more than that, or want him to be more than that. But I think you need to appreciate him for what he is, a hard worker who's willing to put in a lot of time collecting information on players. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

04-15-2006, 09:55 AM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension as a scout he's alright... a lot of people blame him for ramming the 49ers orginization head first into their ongoing state of craptitude, and he was also around here for some seriously bad drafts and free agency binges here. So either the bad ideas were his, or he had absolutely no power to stop them. Neither option is all that great.

04-15-2006, 01:24 PM	#11
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension Vinny has really improved his own stock over the last few years. He had a run where he made some awful decesions, but he's on the up and up now. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

04-15-2006, 01:30 PM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,576	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension He must be doing something right. He's not as involved in personnel as people think he is currently, and he seems to be an easy target for some people whenever they want to cry about personnel issues.

04-15-2006, 02:36 PM	#13
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 1,515	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension I have a difficult time judging his performance, because Im not 100% sure what he does.

04-15-2006, 03:09 PM	#15
Master4Caster Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DC area Posts: 374	Re: Discuss: Cerrato Extension Keep him. He's part of the Gibbs team. The dislike came from the time when Daniel Snyder called the football shots and failed spectacularly. Cerrato was his deputy, but was not able to moderate Snyder's impulses. However, no one at that time could have contained Snyder. So, while Vinnie shares some of the blame for the '99 - '03 teams, it is a unfair to blame it all on him. Even today, there's only one man Snyder will listen to -- and it ain't Vinnie!!! With the Redskins improvement, there are plenty of reasons to like Cerrato and Daniel Snyder. __________________ Master4Caster http://runningredskins.blogspot.com http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins

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