New Girlfriend

NAVYSKINSFAN · 08-28-2006, 01:38 PM

So. I just started dating this girl. Everything was going wonderful and everything still us but... we were walking around Mac Authur center mall and went past the redskins store there. I went in to check out some stuff and she went without complaint. Here is the problem. She made a comment that the skins name was offensive to native americans. It was not big deal and she just kind of slightly metioned it, but I'm sure that one day soon its going to come up again.

So.. I am trying to get ready now cause I am sure that at somepoint (probally in the middle of a game) this topic of discussion will come up. How do you guys and gals defend against this kind of comment. I have not really given it much thought myself. I don't find it offensive but then again I'm not native americian.

Help out!

ArtMonkDrillz · 08-28-2006, 01:44 PM

Ask her if she finds Notre Dame's nickname and logo offensive.

jbcjr14 · 08-28-2006, 01:52 PM

Get rid of her now....I forsee nothing but problems in the very near future.

SmootSmack · 08-28-2006, 01:55 PM

This is somewhat off topic, but does anyone remember that Seinfeld episode when Jerry likes Elaine's friend (I think her name was Whitney) and he's all cautious around her because she's Native American.

He wants to say he made reservations for dinner, instead he says he made "arrangements" Then when she wants to give something back to him he gets all upset and says "You can't take something and then give it back. That makes you an Indian giver!" Or the best part is when Kramer goes riding past them in the back of a cab holding a big cigar store Indian.

Man, that was a great episode.

djnemo65 · 10-16-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

This is somewhat off topic, but does anyone remember that Seinfeld episode when Jerry likes Elaine's friend (I think her name was Whitney) and he's all cautious around her because she's Native American.

He wants to say he made reservations for dinner, instead he says he made "arrangements" Then when she wants to give something back to him he gets all upset and says "You can't take something and then give it back. That makes you an Indian giver!" Or the best part is when Kramer goes riding past them in the back of a cab holding a big cigar store Indian.

Man, that was a great episode.

Hands down the greatest show of all time.

Now that the season is over I hope to see more Seinfeld discussions here.

ArtMonkDrillz · 08-28-2006, 01:56 PM

American Indians Among Admirers Of Redskins Name (washingtonpost.com)

This article, while a few years old, is very interesting. I think you have to ask her why she finds the name offensive. People give names/logos meaning, and if it's meant in a positive way, why is it offensive?
In this article Danny Boy has a nice quote:
Snyder, meanwhile, intends to keep the name, no matter the protests. "Frankly, we don't hear much from fans about this," Swanson says. "Words take power from their usage. We don't use funny mascots. We don't have tomahawk chops. We've always used the word in a respectful way, to mean tradition, courage and respect."

cpayne5 · 08-28-2006, 02:01 PM

The term redskin (in terms of the Washington Redskins) does not actually refer to the skin color of Native Americans, but rather to the red warpaint that the Algonquins applied to their faces.

I can't find any information about this next part, but I'm pretty sure I heard it somewhere so take it with a grain of salt if you so desire...
An Algonquin man offered to donate himself for the logo. I believe his reasoning was because the team was actually honoring his people. Again, I can't confirm this, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere at some point.

So, the next time you're in the mall, pop those two arguments out on her, buy her a Cooley jersey and be done w/ it.

If she doesn't buy it, dump her.

12thMan · 08-28-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

The term redskin (in terms of the Washington Redskins) does not actually refer to the skin color of Native Americans, but rather to the red warpaint that the Algonquins applied to their faces.

I can't find any information about this next part, but I'm pretty sure I heard it somewhere so take it with a grain of salt if you so desire...
An Algonquin man offered to donate himself for the logo. I believe his reasoning was because the team was actually honoring his people. Again, I can't confirm this, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere at some point.

So, the next time you're in the mall, pop those two arguments out on her, buy her a Cooley jersey and be done w/ it.

If she doesn't buy it, dump her.

The part you mentioned was referenced in the Balitmore Sun about a year ago. But even that part, some people are saying the details were sketchy. But they ran a very long article in the Sun about the teams logo and history.

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-28-2006, 03:09 PM

Ask her if she's seen your domestic violence criminal record and then ask her again if she has a problem.

NAVYSKINSFAN · 08-29-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Ask her if she's seen your domestic violence criminal record and then ask her again if she has a problem.

How did you know about my record?

Seriously though, thanks for all the advise she is a pretty level headed girl. I'm sure that when the topic comes up and I drop some of the points made here on her she will understand.

Warpath · 09-08-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Ask her if she's seen your domestic violence criminal record and then ask her again if she has a problem.

Sorry, extremely late to this thread, this is f-in hilarious.

How hot is she? I think the hotness factor plays into her staying or not.

Monkeydad · 08-28-2006, 03:31 PM

Dump her now. You can't be sure how many other wacky liberal concepts she's bought into.

Find someone with Indian blood and have them tell her that they really consider it an honor to have the team named the Redskins (as most do...if they care) and them have him tell her that she's been dumped.

wolfeskins · 08-28-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Dump her now. You can't be sure how many other wacky liberal concepts she's bought into.

you hit the nail on the head.
please tell me she's not a vegiterian(sp) , a tree hugger or works for peta.

ArtMonkDrillz · 08-28-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

you hit the nail on the head.
please tell me she's not a vegiterian(sp) , a tree hugger or works for peta.

I used to think of myself as a liberal, but I hate all of these causes. I guess I'm just a realist and a pragmatist now.
I bet if you ask 1,000,000 Americans what the first thing that comes to mind when you say "Redskins" would have something to do with the football team.

Monkeydad · 08-29-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I used to think of myself as a liberal, but I hate all of these causes. I guess I'm just a realist and a pragmatist now.
I bet if you ask 1,000,000 Americans what the first thing that comes to mind when you say "Redskins" would have something to do with the football team.

You were probably never a liberal though...just young. If you have a real job and resemble a real man even remotely (like cars, sports, wood, meat, etc.)...you're safe from the insane asylum called liberalism.

This chick probably eats only leaves, drives a hatchback to save the trees and to keep Big Oil from disturbing the caribou sex, uses soap very CONSERVATIVELY, and has two mommies. She's probably hiding a lot if she buys into the "Native Americans Aren't Redskins Fans" crap.

I actually did a research paper on this in like 9th grade. It was amazing to really see how bogus the argument is.

08-28-2006, 01:38 PM	#1
NAVYSKINSFAN Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Norfolk va Age: 43 Posts: 150	New Girlfriend So. I just started dating this girl. Everything was going wonderful and everything still us but... we were walking around Mac Authur center mall and went past the redskins store there. I went in to check out some stuff and she went without complaint. Here is the problem. She made a comment that the skins name was offensive to native americans. It was not big deal and she just kind of slightly metioned it, but I'm sure that one day soon its going to come up again. So.. I am trying to get ready now cause I am sure that at somepoint (probally in the middle of a game) this topic of discussion will come up. How do you guys and gals defend against this kind of comment. I have not really given it much thought myself. I don't find it offensive but then again I'm not native americian. Help out! __________________ Only the strong survive! Just win baby! I'll make ya famous!

08-28-2006, 01:44 PM	#2
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: New Girlfriend Ask her if she finds Notre Dame's nickname and logo offensive. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

08-28-2006, 01:52 PM	#3
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 55 Posts: 2,015	Re: New Girlfriend Get rid of her now....I forsee nothing but problems in the very near future. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

08-28-2006, 01:55 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: New Girlfriend This is somewhat off topic, but does anyone remember that Seinfeld episode when Jerry likes Elaine's friend (I think her name was Whitney) and he's all cautious around her because she's Native American. He wants to say he made reservations for dinner, instead he says he made "arrangements" Then when she wants to give something back to him he gets all upset and says "You can't take something and then give it back. That makes you an Indian giver!" Or the best part is when Kramer goes riding past them in the back of a cab holding a big cigar store Indian. Man, that was a great episode. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-28-2006, 01:56 PM	#6
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: New Girlfriend American Indians Among Admirers Of Redskins Name (washingtonpost.com) This article, while a few years old, is very interesting. I think you have to ask her why she finds the name offensive. People give names/logos meaning, and if it's meant in a positive way, why is it offensive? In this article Danny Boy has a nice quote: Snyder, meanwhile, intends to keep the name, no matter the protests. "Frankly, we don't hear much from fans about this," Swanson says. "Words take power from their usage. We don't use funny mascots. We don't have tomahawk chops. We've always used the word in a respectful way, to mean tradition, courage and respect." __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

08-28-2006, 02:01 PM	#7
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Re: New Girlfriend The term redskin (in terms of the Washington Redskins) does not actually refer to the skin color of Native Americans, but rather to the red warpaint that the Algonquins applied to their faces. I can't find any information about this next part, but I'm pretty sure I heard it somewhere so take it with a grain of salt if you so desire... An Algonquin man offered to donate himself for the logo. I believe his reasoning was because the team was actually honoring his people. Again, I can't confirm this, but I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere at some point. So, the next time you're in the mall, pop those two arguments out on her, buy her a Cooley jersey and be done w/ it. If she doesn't buy it, dump her. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

08-28-2006, 03:09 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: New Girlfriend Ask her if she's seen your domestic violence criminal record and then ask her again if she has a problem. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

08-28-2006, 03:31 PM	#12
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: New Girlfriend Dump her now. You can't be sure how many other wacky liberal concepts she's bought into. Find someone with Indian blood and have them tell her that they really consider it an honor to have the team named the Redskins (as most do...if they care) and them have him tell her that she's been dumped.

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