MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley

illdefined · 09-25-2006, 10:42 AM

Last Seen: hovering 5 or 6 yards by the line schrimmage. and Moss often behind the line of schrimmage on the WR screens. of all the things to keep from last year's playbook...

seriously remember how last year Moss was in the Pro-Bowl and Cooley just missed it? they're languishing right now, and it's not because of the addition of Randle El and Lloyd, they're all in the same boat, hanging around the first down marker and no further.

is this really Saunder's scheme? a take on the west coast offense? Tony Gonzales was downfield all the time in KC and i thought Cooley was gonna be made a household name this season.

i really hope we're just in the prologue of Al Saunder's 700 page opus, because that classic Gibbs down in the trenches, over the top offense from last year really served us well. with a third of the offensive talent!

MTK · 09-25-2006, 10:50 AM

It's early, the offense is just finding it's groove.

But even once things start clicking I don't think we'll see Moss or Cooley come close to last year's numbers.

There's just not enough balls to go around with Lloyd and Randel El now on board.

illdefined · 09-25-2006, 11:00 AM

how did Saunder's use WRs over in KC? i can honestly say i don't remember anybody at that position over there, except Dante Hall.

JWsleep · 09-25-2006, 11:05 AM

Saunders liked to go deep at times in KC, I recall. I'm sure he wants to. But if teams play a loose 2-deep zone, it aims to take away that throw. And we all know MB doesn't have a gun to begin with. The 73-yard shffle pass is a great way to beat the 2-deep. Run the WRs deep, play action to draw up the LBs and Safties, and slip by them on the shuffle, or a quick slant or screen. Defenses will now have to scheme against that, and that, combined with our run attack (that HAS to continue!), will open up the longer throws, IMHO.

Gmanc711 · 09-25-2006, 11:14 AM

Honestly though, they may not be putting up numbers, but if you watch the guys, they are still HUGE parts of this team. They both blocked their asses off yesterday, and are playing well.

I agree we need to open it up a little bit, but I still think they are both playing well and doing what they are asked to do.

skinsguy · 09-26-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Honestly though, they may not be putting up numbers, but if you watch the guys, they are still HUGE parts of this team. They both blocked their asses off yesterday, and are playing well.

I think you're right! What gets lost in the argument of numbers and yards is the hard work part of it....the receivers blocking!

BrudLee · 09-25-2006, 11:21 AM

Yesterday was about building confidence. While the short passes may have lacked the oomph we are all looking for, the 25 yard strike to Patten on 3rd and 9 doesn't happen unless everyone believes. They believe now.

4mrusmc · 09-25-2006, 11:39 AM

I don't know if you guys feel like this but, I think our defense is worse without R. Clark, P. Priolou (sp?), and yes Lavar. Our defense still looks like it is missing an identity. And on offense, I miss my man R. Royal.

bigSkinsfan61 · 09-26-2006, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I don't know if you guys feel like this but, I think our defense is worse without R. Clark, P. Priolou (sp?), and yes Lavar. Our defense still looks like it is missing an identity. And on offense, I miss my man R. Royal.

our defense needs shawn springs to make it go it seems...with him there gw can blitz all day long

freddyg12 · 09-26-2006, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bigSkinsfan61

our defense needs shawn springs to make it go it seems...with him there gw can blitz all day long

just read on washingtonpost.com that he's unlikely to play sunday, which sucks!

TheMalcolmConnection · 09-25-2006, 11:42 AM

I think we're missing Clark and Prioleau, but not LaVar. He's a shell of the shell of his former self.

Schneed10 · 09-25-2006, 11:46 AM

I don't think Saunders is fully confident that the line has mastered his protection schemes. He's keeping Cooley in to block on a lot of plays in order to cover for this.

Once Al feels that the line can pick up blitzes on the fly, then I think he'll start going downfield a bit more. But against Dallas and Minnesota the line had a lot of trouble adjusting and picking up blitzes. The game-plan against the Texans was designed to take pressure off the linemen, getting the ball out ASAP. It worked, Brunell wasn't sacked.

Hopefully we can start threatening the field deep sometime soon. Because the short stuff worked against the Texans, but it won't work against Ds like the Jaguars.

MTK · 09-25-2006, 11:55 AM

LaVar was never a big piece of this defense under Williams, for the last two years he was injured more often than not.

Having Springs and Prioleau both out definitely hurts.

Hopefully we can get Springs back very soon.

724Skinsfan · 09-25-2006, 11:56 AM

I think the D is worse but not because we're missing Clark and Arrington. I think it's because we have a couple of new faces (Archuleta, Carter, Rumph and Wright specifically) all trying to adjust to Greg Williams defense just like Ryan Clark and all other players did when they first came aboard. Practice and repetition alongside your fellow teammates is what we need and what we're getting. We'll rockin' and rollin by the Colts game, I should think.

RobH4413 · 09-26-2006, 02:45 AM

Rob Haynos thinks Moss is MVP next week.

09-25-2006, 10:42 AM	#1
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley Last Seen: hovering 5 or 6 yards by the line schrimmage. and Moss often behind the line of schrimmage on the WR screens. of all the things to keep from last year's playbook... seriously remember how last year Moss was in the Pro-Bowl and Cooley just missed it? they're languishing right now, and it's not because of the addition of Randle El and Lloyd, they're all in the same boat, hanging around the first down marker and no further. is this really Saunder's scheme? a take on the west coast offense? Tony Gonzales was downfield all the time in KC and i thought Cooley was gonna be made a household name this season. i really hope we're just in the prologue of Al Saunder's 700 page opus, because that classic Gibbs down in the trenches, over the top offense from last year really served us well. with a third of the offensive talent! __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

09-25-2006, 10:50 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley It's early, the offense is just finding it's groove. But even once things start clicking I don't think we'll see Moss or Cooley come close to last year's numbers. There's just not enough balls to go around with Lloyd and Randel El now on board. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-25-2006, 11:00 AM	#3
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley how did Saunder's use WRs over in KC? i can honestly say i don't remember anybody at that position over there, except Dante Hall. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

09-25-2006, 11:05 AM	#4
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley Saunders liked to go deep at times in KC, I recall. I'm sure he wants to. But if teams play a loose 2-deep zone, it aims to take away that throw. And we all know MB doesn't have a gun to begin with. The 73-yard shffle pass is a great way to beat the 2-deep. Run the WRs deep, play action to draw up the LBs and Safties, and slip by them on the shuffle, or a quick slant or screen. Defenses will now have to scheme against that, and that, combined with our run attack (that HAS to continue!), will open up the longer throws, IMHO. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-25-2006, 11:14 AM	#5
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley Honestly though, they may not be putting up numbers, but if you watch the guys, they are still HUGE parts of this team. They both blocked their asses off yesterday, and are playing well. I agree we need to open it up a little bit, but I still think they are both playing well and doing what they are asked to do. __________________ #21

09-25-2006, 11:21 AM	#7
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley Yesterday was about building confidence. While the short passes may have lacked the oomph we are all looking for, the 25 yard strike to Patten on 3rd and 9 doesn't happen unless everyone believes. They believe now. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

09-25-2006, 11:39 AM	#8
4mrusmc Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 55 Posts: 559	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley I don't know if you guys feel like this but, I think our defense is worse without R. Clark, P. Priolou (sp?), and yes Lavar. Our defense still looks like it is missing an identity. And on offense, I miss my man R. Royal.

09-25-2006, 11:42 AM	#11
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley I think we're missing Clark and Prioleau, but not LaVar. He's a shell of the shell of his former self. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

09-25-2006, 11:46 AM	#12
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,426	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley I don't think Saunders is fully confident that the line has mastered his protection schemes. He's keeping Cooley in to block on a lot of plays in order to cover for this. Once Al feels that the line can pick up blitzes on the fly, then I think he'll start going downfield a bit more. But against Dallas and Minnesota the line had a lot of trouble adjusting and picking up blitzes. The game-plan against the Texans was designed to take pressure off the linemen, getting the ball out ASAP. It worked, Brunell wasn't sacked. Hopefully we can start threatening the field deep sometime soon. Because the short stuff worked against the Texans, but it won't work against Ds like the Jaguars. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

09-25-2006, 11:55 AM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,570	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley LaVar was never a big piece of this defense under Williams, for the last two years he was injured more often than not. Having Springs and Prioleau both out definitely hurts. Hopefully we can get Springs back very soon. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-25-2006, 11:56 AM	#14
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley I think the D is worse but not because we're missing Clark and Arrington. I think it's because we have a couple of new faces (Archuleta, Carter, Rumph and Wright specifically) all trying to adjust to Greg Williams defense just like Ryan Clark and all other players did when they first came aboard. Practice and repetition alongside your fellow teammates is what we need and what we're getting. We'll rockin' and rollin by the Colts game, I should think. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

09-26-2006, 02:45 AM	#15
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,638	Re: MISSING: Santana Moss and Chris Cooley Rob Haynos thinks Moss is MVP next week. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

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