santana moss

dmek25 · 10-04-2006, 09:06 AM

anyone on any insight of why Santana Moss is so good and the jets let him go. is it because he was injured? the coaching staff didn't evaluate his talent properly? our coaching staff knows how to use him? or brunell looks to him when in trouble? i just cant believe how good he is and how the jets would let him go for Laverneous freakin Coles

FRPLG · 10-04-2006, 09:09 AM

They thought Coles was #1 and didn't think Moss was gonna be worth what he would get in his big contract. I guess because he is small. The have to be kicking themselves now that the trend toward big lanky WR has died down a little and guys who can make plays, at any size, are en vogue.

firstdown · 10-04-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

They thought Coles was #1 and didn't think Moss was gonna be worth what he would get in his big contract. I guess because he is small. The have to be kicking themselves now that the trend toward big lanky WR has died down a little and guys who can make plays, at any size, are en vogue.

Last time I checked Moss 5'10" and Coles 5"11" so I don't think size was an issue. I just think they never found out how to use Moss. They both are good WR's and it looks like Coles may have finally got over his toe issue but I still think Moss is much better at yards after the catch.

FRPLG · 10-04-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Last time I checked Moss 5'10" and Coles 5"11" so I don't think size was an issue. I just think they never found out how to use Moss. They both are good WR's and it looks like Coles may have finally got over his toe issue but I still think Moss is much better at yards after the catch.

Size was absolutely an issue. In fact the same argument you make was made then. Moss for some reason is looked at as being small and Coles average size.

The main thing that was said by "experts" when it happend was "he is fast but isn't big enougn to be a #1."

firstdown · 10-04-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Size was absolutely an issue. In fact the same argument you make was made then. Moss for some reason is looked at as being small and Coles average size.

The main thing that was said by "experts" when it happend was "he is fast but isn't big enougn to be a #1."

Maybe an issue for the "experts" but I do not see how coaches draw that conclusion. Coles is listed at one inch taller and 3 pounds heavier. Are these the same experts that had us at 8/8 last year at best.

cpayne5 · 10-04-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Last time I checked Moss 5'10" and Coles 5"11" so I don't think size was an issue. I just think they never found out how to use Moss. They both are good WR's and it looks like Coles may have finally got over his toe issue but I still think Moss is much better at yards after the catch.

I was at the Jets preseason game. First row, Jets side. I saw that Coles still had a noticeable limp. Don't know if it is still the toe, or what, but he does have a limp when he walks.

ArtMonkDrillz · 10-04-2006, 11:21 AM

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I was at the Jets preseason game. First row, Jets side. I saw that Coles still had a noticeable limp. Don't know if it is still the toe, or what, but he does have a limp when he walks.

I thought I heard recently that he foot still has problems. I know he's also had a strained calf for a bit; don't know it it goes all the way back to that game, but maybe.

memphisskin · 10-04-2006, 12:15 PM

I've never seen them together, but Coles does appear to be a little bigger than Santana. I remember all the talk being that the Skins got hosed, but in the end Dan Snyder got the better of the deal and didn't have to give Coles a flat screen either. Just 9 million bucks. But it appears to be win-win, and on top Coles is stuck with a qb who can't throw deep so he's got to run the short stuff he complained so much about here. Moss is the man!

Oh, and maybe Snyder was on the right track in '01 when he wanted to draft Moss and Rottenheimer drafted Rod "50/50" Gardner.

SmootSmack · 10-04-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Last time I checked Moss 5'10" and Coles 5"11" so I don't think size was an issue. I just think they never found out how to use Moss. They both are good WR's and it looks like Coles may have finally got over his toe issue but I still think Moss is much better at yards after the catch.

I've never seen Coles up close and in person. But there's no way Moss is 5'10" He looked more to me like 5'8" (5'9" at the most)

FRPLG · 10-04-2006, 10:39 AM

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I've never seen Coles up close and in person. But there's no way Moss is 5'10" He looked more to me like 5'8" (5'9" at the most)

He was at CP's birthday party that I went to and yes he is not more than 5'8". But I would suspect Coles isn't either.

TheMalcolmConnection · 10-04-2006, 11:59 AM

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I've never seen Coles up close and in person. But there's no way Moss is 5'10" He looked more to me like 5'8" (5'9" at the most)

Yup, after the second Cowboys game, he was signing autographs and I'm 5'10" and I felt WAY bigger than him.

RobH4413 · 10-04-2006, 09:32 AM

I think the Jets felt like there was more chemistry between Coles and Pennington. Their numbers with the Jets really don't contrast, so I feel they just thought Coles was the better fit.

Moss is without a doubt the better of the two, but Coles isn't really a bust either.

That Guy · 10-04-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

anyone on any insight of why Santana Moss is so good and the jets let him go. is it because he was injured? the coaching staff didn't evaluate his talent properly? our coaching staff knows how to use him? or brunell looks to him when in trouble? i just cant believe how good he is and how the jets would let him go for Laverneous freakin Coles

cause a deep threat is worthless when the QB has a noodle arm. and herm edwards isn't a good coach an was using him to go over the middle instead of using space or sending him deep constantly.

djnemo65 · 10-04-2006, 09:37 AM

Also, Moss had a pretty long injury history prior to last season. At the time, most pundits thought the Jets had gotten the better deal, if I remember correctly.

12thMan · 10-04-2006, 09:43 AM

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Also, Moss had a pretty long injury history prior to last season. At the time, most pundits thought the Jets had gotten the better deal, if I remember correctly.

I too think the injury factor was a big deal to them. Moss had hammy issues when he was there. Since he's been here he has been going to a massage therapist that keeps him rubbed up and down.

10-04-2006, 09:09 AM	#2
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: santana moss They thought Coles was #1 and didn't think Moss was gonna be worth what he would get in his big contract. I guess because he is small. The have to be kicking themselves now that the trend toward big lanky WR has died down a little and guys who can make plays, at any size, are en vogue.

10-04-2006, 12:15 PM	#8
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: santana moss I've never seen them together, but Coles does appear to be a little bigger than Santana. I remember all the talk being that the Skins got hosed, but in the end Dan Snyder got the better of the deal and didn't have to give Coles a flat screen either. Just 9 million bucks. But it appears to be win-win, and on top Coles is stuck with a qb who can't throw deep so he's got to run the short stuff he complained so much about here. Moss is the man! Oh, and maybe Snyder was on the right track in '01 when he wanted to draft Moss and Rottenheimer drafted Rod "50/50" Gardner.

10-04-2006, 09:32 AM	#12
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 39 Posts: 2,638	Re: santana moss I think the Jets felt like there was more chemistry between Coles and Pennington. Their numbers with the Jets really don't contrast, so I feel they just thought Coles was the better fit. Moss is without a doubt the better of the two, but Coles isn't really a bust either. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

10-04-2006, 09:37 AM	#14
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: santana moss Also, Moss had a pretty long injury history prior to last season. At the time, most pundits thought the Jets had gotten the better deal, if I remember correctly.

10-04-2006, 09:06 AM	#1
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	santana moss anyone on any insight of why Santana Moss is so good and the jets let him go. is it because he was injured? the coaching staff didn't evaluate his talent properly? our coaching staff knows how to use him? or brunell looks to him when in trouble? i just cant believe how good he is and how the jets would let him go for Laverneous freakin Coles __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

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