Starting Campbell Now Makes Cap Sense

Schneed10 · 10-15-2006, 11:46 PM

This is a Campbell vs Brunell discussion, like so many others already on this board. But I wanted to take a salary cap angle at this situation, which I felt may be deserving of it's own thread.

With the team 2-4 and needing to go 8-2 from here on in order to make the playoffs, it doesn't make sense to let Mark Brunell continue to run the team.

Brunell will count $6.6 million against the cap if he's on the roster in 2007. If we cut him before June 1, he'll have a dead cap hit of 4.3 million in 2007, representing a savings of $2.3 million. If we cut him after June 1, he'll count only $1.5 million (approx) in 2007, a savings of about $5 million compared to the $6.6 million he'd count if on the roster.

Given the opportunity to gain cap space next season, and given his inability to lead the offense to victories, the Redskins would be wise to turn to Jason Campbell and allow him to learn the offense in the 10 remaining games this season. He'd hopefully be more prepared to run a more cohesive unit next year that can consistently threaten the deep and center seam portions of the field.

Brunell's career as a Redskin should end now. I'm officially off the Brunell bandwagon. Give me JC. And use Brunell's cap space for a CB who can cover worth a darn.

hooskins · 10-15-2006, 11:48 PM

Good point.

soccercycbk · 10-15-2006, 11:52 PM

I'd like to have Brunell as a number 2 quarterback next season. If Campbell were to start from here on out, i can see mark volunteering to take a salary cut.

Schneed10 · 10-15-2006, 11:52 PM

PS Mods, feel free to merge this if you feel appropriate.

Beemnseven · 10-15-2006, 11:54 PM

Can you send this to Joe Gibbs? This'll make him change his ways.

Seriously, it's just not going to happen. It'll take two broken legs for Joe to pull Mark. We hear it all the time, but it's true -- putting Campbell in now would send the message to the team that the season is over.

As a fan, I want it to happen. But I have no financial interest in the team, nor have I spent every waking hour trying to make the best out of THIS year. And anyone who's given as much time and energy to this team as these coaches have isn't about to give up on 2006 the way fans are.

It will take a House page scandal for Gibbs to pull Brunell. And even then it still wouldn't matter.

Schneed10 · 10-16-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Can you send this to Joe Gibbs? This'll make him change his ways.

Seriously, it's just not going to happen. It'll take two broken legs for Joe to pull Mark. We hear it all the time, but it's true -- putting Campbell in now would send the message to the team that the season is over.

As a fan, I want it to happen. But I have no financial interest in the team, nor have I spent every waking hour trying to make the best out of THIS year. And anyone who's given as much time and energy to this team as these coaches have isn't about to give up on 2006 the way fans are.

It will take a House page scandal for Gibbs to pull Brunell. And even then it still wouldn't matter.

You're right, good post. Benching Brunell for Campbell now does send a quitting type of message to the team. You don't want to send that message because it could linger with the players into next season and cause other problems. They want the coaching staff to believe in them and give them the chance to win.

Maybe Gibbs will make the move after we're mathematically eliminated. I can only hope.

PS Realistically I'm definitely not liking our playoff chances. Of course, just like the players, I hope we don't give up, and I'm holding out hope that we can actually go on the amazing 8-2 run we need, even if it's really unlikely.

offiss · 10-16-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're right, good post. Benching Brunell for Campbell now does send a quitting type of message to the team. You don't want to send that message because it could linger with the players into next season and cause other problems. They want the coaching staff to believe in them and give them the chance to win.

Maybe Gibbs will make the move after we're mathematically eliminated. I can only hope.

PS Realistically I'm definitely not liking our playoff chances. Of course, just like the players, I hope we don't give up, and I'm holding out hope that we can actually go on the amazing 8-2 run we need, even if it's really unlikely.

If replacing Brunell with Campbell is throwing in the towel, than what does that say about Campbell?

Besides does it really matter what Campbell does the rest of the season? Come next season Brunell will be in there for his farewell tour because Gibbs had a gut feeling, as we saw with Ramsey after the 04 season. Gibbs just can't cut ties with Brunell if Unitas himself in his prime showed up to play.

saskin · 10-16-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Can you send this to Joe Gibbs? This'll make him change his ways.

Seriously, it's just not going to happen. It'll take two broken legs for Joe to pull Mark. We hear it all the time, but it's true -- putting Campbell in now would send the message to the team that the season is over.

As a fan, I want it to happen. But I have no financial interest in the team, nor have I spent every waking hour trying to make the best out of THIS year. And anyone who's given as much time and energy to this team as these coaches have isn't about to give up on 2006 the way fans are.

It will take a House page scandal for Gibbs to pull Brunell. And even then it still wouldn't matter.

Nonsense! I'm sure we could equip him with a wheelchair!

railcon56 · 10-16-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by saskin

Nonsense! I'm sure we could equip him with a wheelchair!

soccercycbk · 10-16-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

putting Campbell in now would send the message to the team that the season is over.

I disagree. The coaches are going to put in whatever qb gives us the best shot at winning, and the players recognize that so i don't think there would be any negative message other than to mark. Regardless of whose out there, the WR's are going to run their routes, the o-line is going to block just as hard, and the rb is gonna hit the holes just the same. It comes down to the qb making plays, and if Jason is in and can do that, it will re-energize this team.

Longtimefan · 10-16-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by soccercycbk

I disagree. The coaches are going to put in whatever qb gives us the best shot at winning, and the players recognize that so i don't think there would be any negative message other than to mark. Regardless of whose out there, the WR's are going to run their routes, the o-line is going to block just as hard, and the rb is gonna hit the holes just the same. It comes down to the qb making plays, and if Jason is in and can do that, it will re-energize this team.

There was quite a bit of booing going on out there today. If we loose to Indy next sunday and turn in a simular effort against Dallas the following week (after the bye) there's going to be mutiny at Fed-Ex and JG is going to have to consider making some changes. The players on this team know what time it is, and they're not going to publicly criticize each other but they know where the real problems lye.

SmootSmack · 10-16-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

There was quite a bit of booing going on out there today. If we loose to Indy next sunday and turn in a simular effort against Dallas the following week (after the bye) there's going to be mutiny at Fed-Ex and JG is going to have to consider making some changes. The players on this team know what time it is, and they're not going to publicly criticize each other but they know where the real problems lye.

What makes you say that? Why do so many people think the players are all talking behind Brunell's back pointing to him as the sole problem?

mike340 · 10-16-2006, 02:37 AM

I forget. How many points did Peyton Manning put up last week against the Titans?

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What makes you say that? Why do so many people think the players are all talking behind Brunell's back pointing to him as the sole problem?

Longtimefan · 10-17-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What makes you say that? Why do so many people think the players are all talking behind Brunell's back pointing to him as the sole problem?

I honestly do not think Brunell is the sole problem with the team or why their offense is so inconsistent, but I will say he is part of the problem. As fans we sometimes get frustrated with JG because he does not seem to think Brunell has anything to do with the teams poor showing in the passing game. I'd be willing to bet there are coaches around the league that would have benched Brunell for good long time ago. Again it's not all his fault, but he's the trigger man.

railcon56 · 10-16-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Seriously, it's just not going to happen. It'll take two broken legs for Joe to pull Mark. .

And maybe a separated left shoulder too... before he pulls him

10-15-2006, 11:46 PM	#1
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,422	Starting Campbell Now Makes Cap Sense This is a Campbell vs Brunell discussion, like so many others already on this board. But I wanted to take a salary cap angle at this situation, which I felt may be deserving of it's own thread. With the team 2-4 and needing to go 8-2 from here on in order to make the playoffs, it doesn't make sense to let Mark Brunell continue to run the team. Brunell will count $6.6 million against the cap if he's on the roster in 2007. If we cut him before June 1, he'll have a dead cap hit of 4.3 million in 2007, representing a savings of $2.3 million. If we cut him after June 1, he'll count only $1.5 million (approx) in 2007, a savings of about $5 million compared to the $6.6 million he'd count if on the roster. Given the opportunity to gain cap space next season, and given his inability to lead the offense to victories, the Redskins would be wise to turn to Jason Campbell and allow him to learn the offense in the 10 remaining games this season. He'd hopefully be more prepared to run a more cohesive unit next year that can consistently threaten the deep and center seam portions of the field. Brunell's career as a Redskin should end now. I'm officially off the Brunell bandwagon. Give me JC. And use Brunell's cap space for a CB who can cover worth a darn. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

10-15-2006, 11:48 PM	#2
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Starting Campbell Now Makes Cap Sense Good point. __________________ Vacancy

10-15-2006, 11:52 PM	#3
soccercycbk Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 60	Re: Starting Campbell Now Makes Cap Sense I'd like to have Brunell as a number 2 quarterback next season. If Campbell were to start from here on out, i can see mark volunteering to take a salary cut.

10-15-2006, 11:52 PM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,422	Re: Starting Campbell Now Makes Cap Sense PS Mods, feel free to merge this if you feel appropriate. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

10-15-2006, 11:54 PM	#5
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Starting Campbell Now Makes Cap Sense Can you send this to Joe Gibbs? This'll make him change his ways. Seriously, it's just not going to happen. It'll take two broken legs for Joe to pull Mark. We hear it all the time, but it's true -- putting Campbell in now would send the message to the team that the season is over. As a fan, I want it to happen. But I have no financial interest in the team, nor have I spent every waking hour trying to make the best out of THIS year. And anyone who's given as much time and energy to this team as these coaches have isn't about to give up on 2006 the way fans are. It will take a House page scandal for Gibbs to pull Brunell. And even then it still wouldn't matter.

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