Joe And Vinny Must Go.

[skinsfan69]

I never thought I'd say this but Joe has to go. He simply has not adjusted to today's NFL. And Vinny Cerato is just Dan's raquetball butt buddy who has not proven anything.

1. Why is he so loyal to an average and aging Brunell?
2. His play calling during the regular season and play-offs last year was terrible and too conservative.
3. Why does he believe that you MUST run the ball to win. Sometimes good teams stack the line and you have to pass downfield, like yesterday.
4. Why trade draft picks for Brunell when you could have got him for nothing.
5. Why trade a 2nd round pick to move up to get Macintosh and then not play him over Holdman?
6. The whole Jason Campbell situation is a joke. Look at all the young QB's that are playing now. Plus they gave up another 1st rounder to get him.
7. Giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for LLoyd. Bad move! How about drafting a big young WR like Colston on New Orleans?
8. We only made the play-offs becasue of a soft schedule playing teams without their starting QB's.
9. Too many penalty's.
10. Not paying Pierce, Bailey, Smoot and Clark while paying less talented players from other teams.
11. Giving up a 3rd round draft pick for TJ Duckett.
12. Need I go on???

[MTK]

What has Vinny done?

As for Gibbs, do we really want to start all over again?? He signed a 5 year deal. I for one would like to see him have the chance to right the ship. Blowing it all up will put us back at square one. I hope you're ready for that if that's what you really want.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I never thought I'd say this but Joe has to go. He simply has not adjusted to today's NFL. And Vinny Cerato is just Dan's raquetball butt buddy who has not proven anything.

1. Why is he so loyal to an average and aging Brunell?
2. His play calling during the regular season and play-offs last year was terrible and too conservative.
3. Why does he believe that you MUST run the ball to win. Sometimes good teams stack the line and you have to pass downfield, like yesterday.
4. Why trade draft picks for Brunell when you could have got him for nothing.
5. Why trade a 2nd round pick to move up to get Macintosh and then not play him over Holdman?
6. The whole Jason Campbell situation is a joke. Look at all the young QB's that are playing now. Plus they gave up another 1st rounder to get him.
7. Giving up a 3rd and 4th rounder for LLoyd. Bad move! How about drafting a big young WR like Colston on New Orleans?
8. We only made the play-offs becasue of a soft schedule playing teams without their starting QB's.
9. Too many penalty's.
10. Not paying Pierce, Bailey, Smoot and Clark while paying less talented players from other teams.
11. Giving up a 3rd round draft pick for TJ Duckett.
12. Need I go on???

Truly Inspirational!

Who among us thought we could get through the day with the Dumbass card being thrown?

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

please no more starting over. vinny has a good track record on higher draft picks and last offseason they made significant changes to the scouting, so can we wait more than a year to see how that pans out? as for gibbs, matty pretty much said it.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

please no more starting over. vinny has a good track record on higher draft picks and last offseason they made significant changes to the scouting, so can we wait more than a year to see how that pans out? as for gibbs, matty pretty much said it.

By bring back Joe Gibbs in the first place, we knew we'd be starting over, with a new coach anyway, in four or five years. So, it's inevitable that we'll start over within two years. At that time, I hope we hire a young coach who can be here for years.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

By bring back Joe Gibbs in the first place, we knew we'd be starting over, with a new coach anyway, in four or five years. So, it's inevitable that we'll start over within two years. At that time, I hope we hire a young coach who can be here for years.

yeah, but the transmission could be smoother. someone who wants to keep most of the current staff and schemes, and who the coaching staff wants to stick around for. promote williams or saunders, maybe? even if they were this bad next year i'd still be for continuity. then again, i still haven't thrown out the best of ABBA album on my shelf, and i have no excuse for that.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

yeah, but the transmission could be smoother. someone who wants to keep most of the current staff and schemes, and who the coaching staff wants to stick around for. promote williams or saunders, maybe? even if they were this bad next year i'd still be for continuity. then again, i still haven't thrown out the best of ABBA album on my shelf, and i have no excuse for that.

I agree about continuity. But the way the offense and defense are playing, I certainly hope neither Gregg Williams nor Al Saunders is seriously considered to replace Gibbs.

[skinsfan69]

The problem is that the team has no talent! That is why we lose to a 0-5 team with a rookie qb at home. We are below average at QB, the o-line can't pass protect, the d-line does not have a pass rusher, no real playmakers at linebacker, and the 2ndary is a frickin joke. Arch and Rodgers and cover my mother and no depth at any positions on the team. And if the idea is to win now then why draft Campbell in the first place? Why not take those two picks and get 0-line and d-line help?

[skinsfan69]

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What has Vinny done???? He has done NOTHING! Since Dan has this money why doesn't he hire the best GM money can buy? Can you mention one mid to late round draft pick that has turned out to be any good the last 6 years? Personally I would hire Gregg Williams or Russ Grimm. The players simply don't fear the head coach with all these stupid ass penalty's. And where are the half time adjustments???? He use to be a master at this. If I see that stupid ass WR screen I'm going to throw my remote through the TV screen. 7-8 men on the line of scrimage means THROW THE FRICKIN BALL DOWN THE FRICKIN FIELD.

Vinny really doesn't have any power anymore, he hasn't since Gibbs came back. He's a scout and helps in player evaluation. Getting rid of him won't accomplish much at all.

As for the neverending GM thing, if Gibbs wanted a GM I'm sure Snyder would gladly sign a check for anyone that he wanted. But Gibbs has repeatedly said that he's happy with the personnel decision process as it currently is.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

As for the neverending GM thing, if Gibbs wanted a GM I'm sure Snyder would gladly sign a check for anyone that he wanted. But Gibbs has repeatedly said that he's happy with the personnel decision process as it currently is.

that'd be all well and good, except that, whoever's in charge on personnel sucks at it. he may not want it, but he needs help there that he's not getting from his scouts or whoever is helping him now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that'd be all well and good, except that, whoever's in charge on personnel sucks at it. he may not want it, but he needs help there that he's not getting from his scouts or whoever is helping him now.

Is personnel really our problem though?

Perhaps this is deserving of it's own thread... but when I look at our roster I see a talented team. Talented enough to be playing a HELL of a lot better than they are. This team was good enough to win 11 games last year including the playoffs. They added a few guys in the offseason and all of a sudden talent is our main problem?

I'm not buying it.

Injuries, a new offense, and guys underperforming are all reasons I can buy. But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is personnel really our problem though?

Perhaps this is deserving of it's own thread... but when I look at our roster I see a talented team. Talented enough to be playing a HELL of a lot better than they are. This team was good enough to win 11 games last year including the playoffs. They added a few guys in the offseason and all of a sudden talent is our main problem?

I'm not buying it.

Injuries, a new offense, and guys underperforming are all reasons I can buy. But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

probably does. depth has always been a concern, and injuries show how terrible our backups are. the playcalling does seem arbitrary and predictable, the screens and outside runs seem to be 50% of our playbook, and the shotgun and audibles (that turned brunell from shite to useful) are no where in sight.

A lack of (player) leadership may also be a problem, but i can't really be sure.


the problem with the FO were the huge contracts to worthless players. 1 for 4 (and overpaying that one too) just isn't good, and the depth at LB isn't good. expensive mistakes bad going foward :/.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Is personnel really our problem though? But talent? C'mon, we've got playmakers all over on offense. Something else is at play here.

I have to agree....

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Vinny really doesn't have any power anymore, he hasn't since Gibbs came back. He's a scout and helps in player evaluation. Getting rid of him won't accomplish much at all.

As for the neverending GM thing, if Gibbs wanted a GM I'm sure Snyder would gladly sign a check for anyone that he wanted. But Gibbs has repeatedly said that he's happy with the personnel decision process as it currently is.

You are correct about the gm / and evaluating . But I do believe if this team is going to win year in & year out , that Synder is going to have to tell Gibbs that he is hiring a Gm and the Gm will make ALL personel decisions . Gibbs is to willing to throw away too many draft picks for average players all to often . I hope Dan can get the Steelers or Patriots ,,, even Baltimores GM and build a strong team . For now ,,, lets just kick the cowboys ass !