Duckett or Sellers

The Zimmermans · 11-22-2006, 02:34 PM

I know Sellers is one of the best personalities and hardest working players on this team, pretty much he is currently the heart of the redskins. However, I've notice him getting the ball on third and short instead of Duckett. I would have no problem with this if we didnt have Duckett but WE DO. I feel like this give the ball to anyone other than duckett approach is eventually going to ruin our relationship with this young promising back..............your thoughts

also, weigh in on the clash between saunders and gibb's offensive philosophies to keep the thread long enough. Seems like a MAJOR issue right now.

htownskinfan · 11-22-2006, 02:52 PM

yeah,I am surprised the way they are using duckett,a lot of the moves they have done this yr dont make sense,but on 4th and 1 they give it to sellars instead of duckett,I dont have a problem with that,but whats duckett for?

61cad · 11-22-2006, 03:00 PM

With Portis out Duckett should..........should get a major part of the offensive running game. He has only carried the ball 12 times this season. The season is done. Time to see what depth this team really has.

Longtimefan · 11-22-2006, 03:14 PM

I don't know if they want to sign Duckett as a free agent. By not playing him as much as we feel they should, his value decreases on the market, and maybe that is the intent. If I were Duckett. I would not at all be pleased with the situation.

Bill B · 11-28-2006, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I don't know if they want to sign Duckett as a free agent. By not playing him as much as we feel they should, his value decreases on the market, and maybe that is the intent. If I were Duckett. I would not at all be pleased with the situation.

Actually I would think his value may go up - why you may ask? Well with running backs who play full time get a ton of wear n tear. As long as Duckett has kept in shape wouldn't he be better off not getting banged up like Portis was this year? Teams know what TJ can do and I don't think he has to prove it this year - he steamrolled in Atlanta and Philly was going to sign him and the Skins got worried about the Eagles getting Duckett so they gave up the bank to stop it - anohter reason to get a GM - this was a short-term mentality move.

QBs who don't play get rusty, running backs who don't play but stay in shape get healthy and quickly regain their football instincts.

My opionion is TJ is loving this because he is getting paid while not ripping up his body.

dgack · 11-28-2006, 01:38 AM

The guy who should be pissed is Big Mike, because Duckett being brought in demonstrates that the team doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in him to carry much of a load, which is absurd. OTOH, Joe didn't really use Betts at all when he first got here, either, and I think at one point after a preseason game where Ladell tore it up he was quoted as saying "Wow, I didn't know Ladell was that fast" or something.

Anyway, Duckett is almost assuredly gone next season but it is mystifying why we don't give it to him near the goal line for some downhill skull-cracking.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 11-28-2006, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

The guy who should be pissed is Big Mike, because Duckett being brought in demonstrates that the team doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in him to carry much of a load, which is absurd. OTOH, Joe didn't really use Betts at all when he first got here, either, and I think at one point after a preseason game where Ladell tore it up he was quoted as saying "Wow, I didn't know Ladell was that fast" or something.

Anyway, Duckett is almost assuredly gone next season but it is mystifying why we don't give it to him near the goal line for some downhill skull-cracking.

TJ Duckett runs this shit. HE RUNS>>>>THIS SHIT...end of story....give him the damn ball....HTTR!

70Chip · 11-28-2006, 12:03 PM

Remember that Sellers had like 1 carry before this year. He was a TE/FB combination physical freak blocking specialist and I think the Redskins were pleasantly surprised that he can run as well as he does. But, don't be fooled. His nice runs are mainly the result of the surprise factor. Teams just don't expect him to have the ball. Then they are confronted with tackling this rambling wreck from bad angles. If he were to become a regular feature of the offense they would be better prepared to deal with him. Before last year he was not a big receiver either. This year teams are accounting for that flat pass at the goalline so his numbers are down. He is a nice change of pace and he is perhaps the most uniquely versatile player in the NFL but I don't think he can carry an offense or even be the short yardage back. He shouldn't have to be.

Having said all that, I think there are some games coming up where he could give defenses problems. The New Orleans game is a huge challenge. Probably the best remaining team we play. I think Sellers might be just the type of beast that a team that thinks it's already made the playoffs might be too self-satisfied to prepare for or tackle. Throw him a few passes, maybe run a trap play or two on first down. I think he would be an excellent receiver on an a halfback option pass. Who's going to cover him downfield? We can get more out of him but we need to pick our spots. I have all these plays in my head. Then I watch the games and they run the fucking swing pass to Betts 5 times. I'm waiting for Coach Gibbs to give me that call.

There is no reason that Duckett can't be effective in short-yardage. If T.J Duckett can't gain 1 yard then the problem lies up front.

marius · 11-28-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

If T.J Duckett can't gain 1 yard then the problem lies up front.

Never a truer word said.

dmek25 · 11-22-2006, 03:18 PM

i don't know what the redskins strategy is regarding duckett. a proven back in this league, all betts is to me is a proven back up. and the difference between Saunders and Gibbs is the run. Gibbs will run, and run, and run some more. Saunders tries to use the pass to set up the run. and if the run doesn't work, he will forget about it, completely

skinsguy · 11-22-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i don't know what the redskins strategy is regarding duckett.

I do! Last year and the year before, we struggled BIG time on short yardage plays. I said it all along that we needed a big back, ala John Riggins type of back, and Duckett fits the bill.

You keep Mike Sellers though, because I think he's very valuable with short yardage passing plays. I'd like to see a little more with Duckett as to how effective he is in receiving.

SouperMeister · 11-22-2006, 06:59 PM

I see Duckett departing via free agency after this year. To his credit, he has been very professional about his lack of PT, and has knocked heads with the very few opportunities he has received. Sellers is definitely the more valuable since he's so versatile. He can play fullback, TE, and is a special teams ace. He's superior to Duckett in pass blocking, and he's a better receiver too. That said, on 4th and 1, I'd much rather see Duckett get the ball since he has a proven NFL track record as a short yardage specialist.

wolfeskins · 11-22-2006, 07:16 PM

the skins might be planning to let betts go and keep duckett. i would have no problem with that, i like betts but he seems to have a fumbling problem.

skinsfan69 · 11-22-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

the skins might be planning to let betts go and keep duckett. i would have no problem with that, i like betts but he seems to have a fumbling problem.

I believe that this is going to happen in the off season. Why give a 3rd round pick if your not going to keep him. Gibbs always wants and needs a big back. This would be a good combo with Duckett and Portis. Personally I like Betts but you can't keep all three.

firstdown · 11-27-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfeskins

the skins might be planning to let betts go and keep duckett. i would have no problem with that, i like betts but he seems to have a fumbling problem.

What Duckett had a fumble yesterday. Betts has proven to be a very solid 2nd RB which we sould not let go of.

11-22-2006, 02:34 PM	#1
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Duckett or Sellers I know Sellers is one of the best personalities and hardest working players on this team, pretty much he is currently the heart of the redskins. However, I've notice him getting the ball on third and short instead of Duckett. I would have no problem with this if we didnt have Duckett but WE DO. I feel like this give the ball to anyone other than duckett approach is eventually going to ruin our relationship with this young promising back..............your thoughts also, weigh in on the clash between saunders and gibb's offensive philosophies to keep the thread long enough. Seems like a MAJOR issue right now. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-22-2006, 02:52 PM	#2
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,913	Re: Duckett or Sellers yeah,I am surprised the way they are using duckett,a lot of the moves they have done this yr dont make sense,but on 4th and 1 they give it to sellars instead of duckett,I dont have a problem with that,but whats duckett for?

11-22-2006, 03:00 PM	#3
61cad Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Reston, VA Posts: 296	Re: Duckett or Sellers With Portis out Duckett should..........should get a major part of the offensive running game. He has only carried the ball 12 times this season. The season is done. Time to see what depth this team really has. __________________ DAMN YOU SAM HUFF, F****ING NEW YORK GIANT!

11-22-2006, 03:14 PM	#4
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Duckett or Sellers I don't know if they want to sign Duckett as a free agent. By not playing him as much as we feel they should, his value decreases on the market, and maybe that is the intent. If I were Duckett. I would not at all be pleased with the situation. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

11-28-2006, 01:38 AM	#6
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: Duckett or Sellers The guy who should be pissed is Big Mike, because Duckett being brought in demonstrates that the team doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in him to carry much of a load, which is absurd. OTOH, Joe didn't really use Betts at all when he first got here, either, and I think at one point after a preseason game where Ladell tore it up he was quoted as saying "Wow, I didn't know Ladell was that fast" or something. Anyway, Duckett is almost assuredly gone next season but it is mystifying why we don't give it to him near the goal line for some downhill skull-cracking.

11-28-2006, 12:03 PM	#8
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Duckett or Sellers Remember that Sellers had like 1 carry before this year. He was a TE/FB combination physical freak blocking specialist and I think the Redskins were pleasantly surprised that he can run as well as he does. But, don't be fooled. His nice runs are mainly the result of the surprise factor. Teams just don't expect him to have the ball. Then they are confronted with tackling this rambling wreck from bad angles. If he were to become a regular feature of the offense they would be better prepared to deal with him. Before last year he was not a big receiver either. This year teams are accounting for that flat pass at the goalline so his numbers are down. He is a nice change of pace and he is perhaps the most uniquely versatile player in the NFL but I don't think he can carry an offense or even be the short yardage back. He shouldn't have to be. Having said all that, I think there are some games coming up where he could give defenses problems. The New Orleans game is a huge challenge. Probably the best remaining team we play. I think Sellers might be just the type of beast that a team that thinks it's already made the playoffs might be too self-satisfied to prepare for or tackle. Throw him a few passes, maybe run a trap play or two on first down. I think he would be an excellent receiver on an a halfback option pass. Who's going to cover him downfield? We can get more out of him but we need to pick our spots. I have all these plays in my head. Then I watch the games and they run the fucking swing pass to Betts 5 times. I'm waiting for Coach Gibbs to give me that call. There is no reason that Duckett can't be effective in short-yardage. If T.J Duckett can't gain 1 yard then the problem lies up front. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

11-22-2006, 03:18 PM	#10
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Duckett or Sellers i don't know what the redskins strategy is regarding duckett. a proven back in this league, all betts is to me is a proven back up. and the difference between Saunders and Gibbs is the run. Gibbs will run, and run, and run some more. Saunders tries to use the pass to set up the run. and if the run doesn't work, he will forget about it, completely __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

11-22-2006, 06:59 PM	#12
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Duckett or Sellers I see Duckett departing via free agency after this year. To his credit, he has been very professional about his lack of PT, and has knocked heads with the very few opportunities he has received. Sellers is definitely the more valuable since he's so versatile. He can play fullback, TE, and is a special teams ace. He's superior to Duckett in pass blocking, and he's a better receiver too. That said, on 4th and 1, I'd much rather see Duckett get the ball since he has a proven NFL track record as a short yardage specialist.

11-22-2006, 07:16 PM	#13
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Duckett or Sellers the skins might be planning to let betts go and keep duckett. i would have no problem with that, i like betts but he seems to have a fumbling problem. __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

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