Are We Critiquing the Wrong Coaches?

[SmootSmack]

Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

Anyway, just some food for thought

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I think when stuff starts rolling down hill (ie. 4-8) there is a higher percentage of things like dropped passes and blocking.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

Anyway, just some food for thought

This kinda goes back to the Friend Article - If the assistants aren't doing their jobs whose fault is that. If the proper emphasis is not being put on fundamentals, that's gotta be on the coordinators and, ultimately, the head coach. If they aren't tackling - then drill'em on it. Make sure that the position coaches ARE doing their jobs.

With that said, I bet we see some significant willowing and possibly consiladation in the coaching ranks next year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Throughout the season we’ve been debating Gibbs or Saunders. Can their philosophies coexist? Do their personalities clash? Should Gibbs take tighter control of the offense? Should we give Saunders his walking papers?

But let me throw this out here, are we talking about the wrong offensive coaches? Little things, like dropping passes, running tight routes, blocking, these are problems on a lower level of the offense. This is the stuff the position coaches should be working on right? This isn’t about scheme really this is about basic fundamentals.

So I guess my question is do our coaching problems really lie with coaches like Bill Lazor, Earnest Byner, and Stan Hixon and not the big picture guys (Saunders and Gibbs)

Anyway, just some food for thought

That's just it. You're talking about "the basics" and technique which is taught by those coaches. I think you may be onto something there. And that is why I have said all along, to look at the big picture...all the parts! Not just to lay blame at the head coach and be done with it.

Who were the position coaches during Gibbs I? Or did they have position coaches back then?

[MTK]

Like someone already said, if the position coaches aren't getting it done, the guys above them need to step in.

Perhaps this all goes back to the too many chefs in the kitchen theory?

[wilsowilso]

I personaly believe Joe Bugel has completely lost his touch and this thread does make me wonder about others, but it all goes back to Gibbs being so very loyal and therefore the team might actually be suffering from this usually great quality that our head coach has.

[12thMan]

I think the lost of DeWayne Walker can't be under estimated, that's for sure.

Essentially, I think everything has to be on the table after the year is over.

[724Skinsfan]

Gibbs would be to blame ultimately if his coaching staff is not getting their job done. Maybe he was trying to take more of a hands-off approach and let the coaches do their thing which with some people doesn't work. All of the coaches have talented players at every position. I wonder if they feel they can slack off a bit because they think their players are coached well enough as it is. A stretch, I know, but sometimes when you think you've got something good you don't pay as much attention to detail until you're already behind and struggling to catch up to everyone else.

[NM Redskin]

These players are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS, the coaches can only do so much. The players have to perform. It’s not like route running and catching the ball is new to them.

[61cad]

Nice try at a diversion from the Gibbs hating.

All of the players on this team are pros and most have played organized football since the age of 6. These guys would have never made it on their High School Football team if they were unable to “master” the basics.

The lack of tackeling, blocking and catching would be due to lack of performance. If you are suggesting these assistant coaches are not motivating their players, then I would suggest you look at Gibbs mannerisms on and off the sidelines.

Gibbs look likes a deer caught in the head lights. He shows no emotions either positive or negative.

The entire team (including coaches) is a reflection on how Gibbs conducts himself.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 61cad

Nice try at a diversion from the Gibbs hating.

All of the players on this team are pros and most have played organized football since the age of 6. These guys would have never made it on their High School Football team if they were unable to “master” the basics.

The lack of tackeling, blocking and catching would be due to lack of performance. If you are suggesting these assistant coaches are not motivating their players, then I would suggest you look at Gibbs mannerisms on and off the sidelines.

Gibbs look likes a deer caught in the head lights. He shows no emotions either positive or negative.

The entire team (including coaches) is a reflection on how Gibbs conducts himself.

Not sure what you mean by "nice try at a diversion from the Gibbs hating" But anyhow, I agree that they should have mastered the basics at a young age. But I believe that even if you know it like the back of your hand, you still have to practice it repeatedly.

I understand that ultimately the responsibility lies with Gibbs, but he can't (nor can any coach on any team) realistically be expected to be involved in every aspect of every drill of every unit. He has to trust the position coaches to do their job on a daily basis throughout the week. I'm not saying they're not, I'm just saying what if the job there doing just isn't good enough.

[724Skinsfan]

So TO is a reflection of how Andy Reid and Bill Parcell's conduct themselves? Please, some of these guys aren't trying to conduct themselves as professionals. They're relying on their natural god-given ability to play football. If given the chance to slack and make millions while doing, some will. Count on it.

Also, Gibbs does not look like a deer caught in the headlights. Wide-eyed and stock still? He seems pretty composed to me. Smart enough not to allow emotions dictate his decision making process.

[61cad]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

So TO is a reflection of how Andy Reid and Bill Parcell's conduct themselves? Please, some of these guys aren't trying to conduct themselves as professionals. They're relying on their natural god-given ability to play football. If given the chance to slack and make millions while doing, some will. Count on it.

Also, Gibbs does not look like a deer caught in the headlights. Wide-eyed and stock still? He seems pretty composed to me. Smart enough not to allow emotions dictate his decision making process.

I am talking about a Gibbs coached team. That's why a TO wouldn't be a Redskin. Gibbs teams are "Gibbs Guys" you know " a real classy guy". So, with his lack of emotions and things going from bad to worse this whole teams engery look as drained as he does.

Gibbs is so stiff on the sidelines, I am waiting for him to freeze in that "arms crossed" stance he puts himself into every Sunday. Does he ever move?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by 61cad

I am talking about a Gibbs coached team. That's why a TO wouldn't be a Redskin. Gibbs teams are "Gibbs Guys" you know " a real classy guy". So, with his lack of emotions and things going from bad to worse this whole teams engery look as drained as he does.

Gibbs is so stiff on the sidelines, I am waiting for him to freeze in that "arms crossed" stance he puts himself into every Sunday. Does he ever move?

Gibbs looks the same on the sidelines as he did when he was collecting Super Bowl trophies. If head coach sideline hysterics had anything to do with winning football games then the Giants would never lose...

[61cad]

Originally Posted by celts32

Gibbs looks the same on the sidelines as he did when he was collecting Super Bowl trophies. If head coach sideline hysterics had anything to do with winning football games then the Giants would never lose...

Well.... Here is a link to some pictures from another thread. Gibbs today and one with the SB trophy.

And you say he looks the same?

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ust-go-20.html