Whats going on with our skins?

[Stacks42]

I am so frustrated at this team they went from being one of the storied franchises in the league to a laughing stock. The players that are coming to the team via free agency it seems only come for the big payday. We let our core group of players leave and the skins write them off (they become stars elsewhere). From the recent articles in the post and on espn.com it seems that everyone is unhappy, from coaches to players. I have never heard of a team talking this much in the media about the internal turmoil amongst a team. Gibbs has had 3 years to “right this ship” and during that time period we have seen two former skins coaches flourish and turn their respective teams around (chargers and bengals). Im really just venting, I am tired of hearing excuses, this past seasons team was the most pathetic skins team I have ever seen, no depth, no heart, and no class, that’s what this team has been reduced to.

[hesscl34]

Growing pains... new system, new players.. growing pains. If in the next 2 years we haven't turned things around then I'll call them pathetic...

[SmootSmack]

What's up with the microscopic font?

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What's up with the microscopic font?

My bad, I typed it in word and copied it over.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Stacks42

My bad, I typed it in word and copied it over.

I fixed it for you

[squrrelco3]

I vote for poor front office management. This team has had zero stability since JKC died and refused to leave it to his son John. Having the egomaniacal Danny Snyder as an owner is just making things worse.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

I vote for poor front office management. This team has had zero stability since JKC died and refused to leave it to his son John. Having the egomaniacal Danny Snyder as an owner is just making things worse.

Well, JKC is the one who refused to leave it to his son. But that's neither here nor there. Blaming Snyder is a tired excuse

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Well, JKC is the one who refused to leave it to his son. But that's neither here nor there. Blaming Snyder is a tired excuse

You can't ignore the owner being part of the problem when a team is consistantly bad under his ownership. I'd blame the Pittsburgh Pirates owner for their last place finishes every year. Not spending, and spending poorly yield the same results.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Blaming Snyder is a tired excuse

Look there is no denying the fact that Snyder want's to win, but he wants to win it his way and his way hasn't worked for nine years...why should it start working now?

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

I vote for poor front office management. This team has had zero stability since JKC died and refused to leave it to his son John. Having the egomaniacal Danny Snyder as an owner is just making things worse.

I actually thought that the estate taxes on the Redskins team were too much for JKC's son to afford so they were forced to sell the team - JKC's son actually wanted to own it but like many wealthy families who own businesses they were forced to sell when the owner died.

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I actually thought that the estate taxes on the Redskins team were too much for JKC's son to afford so they were forced to sell the team - JKC's son actually wanted to own it but like many wealthy families who own businesses they were forced to sell when the owner died.

My understanding is JKC left the team to his foundation with instructions to sell the team and give the profits to the foundation for scholarships etc. John made a bid but it was nowhere close to being competitive.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

My understanding is JKC left the team to his foundation with instructions to sell the team and give the profits to the foundation for scholarships etc. John made a bid but it was nowhere close to being competitive.

That's pretty much it.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I actually thought that the estate taxes on the Redskins team were too much for JKC's son to afford so they were forced to sell the team - JKC's son actually wanted to own it but like many wealthy families who own businesses they were forced to sell when the owner died.

I too thought that JKC was too much in debt when he died (estate taxes, etc..), that the family was basicly forced to sell the team...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Bill B

I actually thought that the estate taxes on the Redskins team were too much for JKC's son to afford so they were forced to sell the team - JKC's son actually wanted to own it but like many wealthy families who own businesses they were forced to sell when the owner died.

Randy Learner died and his son kept the team. Same with the Hunts and Mara's. JKC did not directly leave the team to his son. He left it to the foundation. The foundation was a bunch of people who worked for JKC. His son was part of the foundation. They were instructed to get the highest bid which they did. John's bid was 680 million but he didn't actually have anywhere near that amount. He was trying borrow most of the money from Bank of America. Bottom line was Snyder had the $ and John did not. His own father screwed him over.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Randy Learner died and his son kept the team. Same with the Hunts and Mara's. JKC did not directly leave the team to his son. He left it to the foundation. The foundation was a bunch of people who worked for JKC. His son was part of the foundation. They were instructed to get the highest bid which they did. John's bid was 680 million but he didn't actually have anywhere near that amount. He was trying borrow most of the money from Bank of America. Bottom line was Snyder had the $ and John did not. His own father screwed him over.

And remember originally it looked like the team was going to go to Howard Millstein. Until that deal fell through and Snyder went from a minority on that team to a majority owner.

Anyhow, JKC never seemed to have much respect for John. I understand John has a pretty successful winery in Virginia these days.