Whos available at 21 and 42?

Dirtbag59 · 03-06-2007, 04:29 PM

The reason I ask is that there seems to be a lot of talk about the Redskins and Broncos swapping picks. So lets look at the facts

- The Redskins FO has mentioned that they would like to trade down.
- The Broncos want a DE and just lost out on the Patrick Kerney sweepstakes to Seatle
- The Broncos really want to trade up and I believe they have 4 first day picks so they definately have ammo.
- It is possible that Gaines Adams and/or Jamaal Anderson will be available with the 6th overall pick
- It should take cost the Broncos a late first and late second to move up into the top 10.
- Dre Bly wants to go to Washington and Shawn Springs wants to go to Denver.
- Washington and Denver can't go a year without trading players because if they don't trade the universe will implode

Personally I was thinking that drafting Charles Johnson would be a good idea with the 21st pick. A LE thats capable of rushing the passer and plays well against the run.

However I have no idea who they would take with the 42nd pick. I would love it if a guy like Arron Sears (OG Tennesee) or Mike Griffin (S Texas) was available but I highly doubt it.

Keep in mind this thread is based on a hypothetical scenario (but also a very real possibility) so with that said what do you guys think?

drew54 · 03-06-2007, 04:44 PM

Personally I think we will trade the # 6 to some team who is wanting to draft Brady Quinn. Or the outside chance that Russell falls to 6, but I doubt the Raiders will take Quinn.

I figure we might have offers draft day from Miami, Houston, and Minnesota to move up and secure Quinn. Hopefully by falling back 1-3 places we can pick up a third rounder or more.

Didn't Baltimore trade a #2 to move up 1-2 spots a few years ago?

wilsowilso · 03-06-2007, 04:46 PM

The 42nd pick is not nearly enough to move from 6 to 21. Check out a draft value chart online. We could get a second rounder by trading back to the number 12 or 13 or at most 15 spot.

Schneed10 · 03-06-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

The 42nd pick is not nearly enough to move from 6 to 21. Check out a draft value chart online. We could get a second rounder by trading back to the number 12 or 13 or at most 15 spot.

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

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MTK · 03-06-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

Redskins Insider

I'd take that deal no problem

wilsowilso · 03-06-2007, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

Redskins Insider

Oh that makes more sense. Not sure if I like it, but as long as we can get something like a second for Springs it could work. This whole Springs thing is getting kind of ugly.

Schneed10 · 03-06-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Oh that makes more sense. Not sure if I like it, but as long as we can get something like a second for Springs it could work. This whole Springs thing is getting kind of ugly.

Even a 3rd for him would be fine by me. Springs is getting older. A 3rd rounder would net us a pretty good LG who'd be cheap and, of course, very young.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-06-2007, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

Redskins Insider

makes sense shawn springs and the 6th overall pick for dre bly, and the broncos first 2 picks that way we can ger bly and pick up an extra pick to get depth and at 21 we can draft quentin moses, charles johnson, or jarvis moss

Bill B · 03-06-2007, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

Redskins Insider

Schneed - if the Skins got that in a trade I would be quite happy. One more thing to add to you pluses - in addition to having much more depth in the trade analysis you provided by trading down from #6 to all the things you said it would probably help tremendously with the salary cap because I would think that the #6 pick is going to demand a ton of money with a huge signing bonus. Last year Vernon Davis was the 6th pick by SF and his contract was a five-year contract worth roughly $23 million.

To me the gems of the draft are rounds 2-4 - relatively cheap as far as contract demands but a lot of them are talented enough to start in the nfl if you got a good scouting department.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-06-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Schneed - if the Skins got that in a trade I would be quite happy. One more thing to add to you pluses - in addition to having much more depth in the trade analysis you provided by trading down from #6 to all the things you said it would probably help tremendously with the salary cap because I would think that the #6 pick is going to demand a ton of money with a huge signing bonus. Last year Vernon Davis was the 6th pick by SF and his contract was a five-year contract worth roughly $23 million.

To me the gems of the draft are rounds 2-4 - relatively cheap as far as contract demands but a lot of them are talented enough to start in the nfl if you got a good scouting department.

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SC Skins Fan · 03-07-2007, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The whole point of us trading with Denver would be to get Dre Bly.

The 6th for Dre Bly, the 21st, and our 3rd rounder back (which we sent to Denver in the Duckett deal) would be very fair and make sooo much sense.

We could even then turn around and send Springs to the Lions. Or send him to the Broncos and have them throw in a 2nd rounder.

I don't care if we miss out on a tip top talent at 6. I'm not going to kid myself and pretend that we don't have depth problems at TE, OL, S, and D Line. We need multiple players, not one stud.

If we are forced to pick at 6, then Alan Branch is my guy. But I'd much, MUCH prefer this deal with Denver, which seems like a very plausible deal according to LaCanfora:

Redskins Insider

I agree with everything you said except no one is going to give a 2nd for Shawn Springs. Probably more like a 4th or 5th. The trade with Denver would be GREAT, though the Skins would probably have to move one of those other picks if they wanted to move up and get Okoye, I don't think he'll be around at 21.

FRPLG · 03-06-2007, 04:50 PM

I want some serious bling for that 6 pick. A top 6 or 7 pick has a good chanc to be dominate. A pro bowler. After that it really becomes a serious crap shoot. We'll be able to get a stud at 6. We need some serious payolla for that pick to me.

GTripp0012 · 03-06-2007, 04:53 PM

IMO after Okoye and Branch, there are no DTs worth having. SO if we trade down, we should be careful to land in a spot where we can still land one of them.

The DE I want is Carriker. We can get him in the mid first round and he would be a great asset for us at LE. I'm not sure I'd pass on either Okoye or Branch to get him.

I DON'T want a pass rushing specialist end. I'd like one more season of data on Carter BEFORE we make a move to replace him. I don't want Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Give me Okoye, Branch, or Carriker.

Eight in the Box · 03-06-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I DON'T want a pass rushing specialist end. I'd like one more season of data on Carter BEFORE we make a move to replace him. I don't want Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Give me Okoye, Branch, or Carriker.

I don't think we are looking to replace Andre Carter. Teh new guy would play opposite of him and replace Philip Daniels. Carter improved dramatically during the second half of the season banking 4 of his 6 sacks in the final 5 games and also posting his 3 highest tackle total on the season during that span. I think Carter will be fine.

I agree about getting Okoye or Branch instead of Adams or Anderson. Two undersized, pass-rushing DE's will be inneffective if we do not have some meat in the middle to eat up the blockers

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-06-2007, 04:54 PM

I think both Okoye and Carriker could be had with some shrewd moves by the office during the draft.

03-06-2007, 04:29 PM	#1
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Whos available at 21 and 42? The reason I ask is that there seems to be a lot of talk about the Redskins and Broncos swapping picks. So lets look at the facts - The Redskins FO has mentioned that they would like to trade down. - The Broncos want a DE and just lost out on the Patrick Kerney sweepstakes to Seatle - The Broncos really want to trade up and I believe they have 4 first day picks so they definately have ammo. - It is possible that Gaines Adams and/or Jamaal Anderson will be available with the 6th overall pick - It should take cost the Broncos a late first and late second to move up into the top 10. - Dre Bly wants to go to Washington and Shawn Springs wants to go to Denver. - Washington and Denver can't go a year without trading players because if they don't trade the universe will implode Personally I was thinking that drafting Charles Johnson would be a good idea with the 21st pick. A LE thats capable of rushing the passer and plays well against the run. However I have no idea who they would take with the 42nd pick. I would love it if a guy like Arron Sears (OG Tennesee) or Mike Griffin (S Texas) was available but I highly doubt it. Keep in mind this thread is based on a hypothetical scenario (but also a very real possibility) so with that said what do you guys think? __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

03-06-2007, 04:46 PM	#3
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: Whos available at 21 and 42? The 42nd pick is not nearly enough to move from 6 to 21. Check out a draft value chart online. We could get a second rounder by trading back to the number 12 or 13 or at most 15 spot.

03-06-2007, 04:50 PM	#12
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Whos available at 21 and 42? I want some serious bling for that 6 pick. A top 6 or 7 pick has a good chanc to be dominate. A pro bowler. After that it really becomes a serious crap shoot. We'll be able to get a stud at 6. We need some serious payolla for that pick to me.

03-06-2007, 04:53 PM	#13
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Whos available at 21 and 42? IMO after Okoye and Branch, there are no DTs worth having. SO if we trade down, we should be careful to land in a spot where we can still land one of them. The DE I want is Carriker. We can get him in the mid first round and he would be a great asset for us at LE. I'm not sure I'd pass on either Okoye or Branch to get him. I DON'T want a pass rushing specialist end. I'd like one more season of data on Carter BEFORE we make a move to replace him. I don't want Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson. Give me Okoye, Branch, or Carriker. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-06-2007, 04:54 PM	#15
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,233	Re: Whos available at 21 and 42? I think both Okoye and Carriker could be had with some shrewd moves by the office during the draft. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-06-2007, 04:44 PM	#2
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Whos available at 21 and 42? Personally I think we will trade the # 6 to some team who is wanting to draft Brady Quinn. Or the outside chance that Russell falls to 6, but I doubt the Raiders will take Quinn. I figure we might have offers draft day from Miami, Houston, and Minnesota to move up and secure Quinn. Hopefully by falling back 1-3 places we can pick up a third rounder or more. Didn't Baltimore trade a #2 to move up 1-2 spots a few years ago? __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

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