What's wrong With this Team?

[RedskinPete]

What's wrong with this team now is we forgotten who we are as a team and as fans! Team isn't about getting the beat free agents or the next great college star in the draft! It's about getting parts that fit that makes a team! I just watched the NFL networks America"s Game About the 82 Redskins. What we have lost is the sighted is it's not about getting a team of all star together but getting players that fit what we wanted to do. There is no substitute for hard work and throwing money at what you wanted isn't going to make it happen. What we need to get back to is look for players that fit what we wanted to do. As coaches find what we wanted to do. As a Owner look at what has worked and throw off what hasn't!

Another thing that hit me watching that show we will never be the Cowboys and would never wanted to be. The media is never going to love the Redskins! I like it like that ..... us against the world and that's the kind of owner,coaches,players and fans we all need to be! So when they say bad things about us.... who gives a shit!

So what do we need to do in free agentcy and the draft? Find players that fit what we need to make it work. If one is a so called star so be it. If one is a rejected from some other team so be it. What ever it takes! We as a team need to get back to what makes us great Redskins and that is us against the world mentality.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

What's wrong with this team now is we forgotten who we are as a team and as fans! Team isn't about getting the beat free agents or the next great college star in the draft! It's about getting parts that fit that makes a team! I just watched the NFL networks America"s Game About the 82 Redskins. What we have lost is the sighted is it's not about getting a team of all star together but getting players that fit what we wanted to do. There is no substitute for hard work and throwing money at what you wanted isn't going to make it happen. What we need to get back to is look for players that fit what we wanted to do. As coaches find what we wanted to do. As a Owner look at what has worked and throw off what hasn't!

Another thing that hit me watching that show we will never be the Cowboys and would never wanted to be. The media is never going to love the Redskins! I like it like that ..... us against the world and that's the kind of owner,coaches,players and fans we all need to be! So when they say bad things about us.... who gives a shit!

So what do we need to do in free agentcy and the draft? Find players that fit what we need to make it work. If one is a so called star so be it. If one is a rejected from some other team so be it. What ever it takes! We as a team need to get back to what makes us great Redskins and that is us against the world mentality.

Wouldn't this offseason fit into the approach that you mentioned?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Wouldn't this offseason fit into the approach that you mentioned?

He's on the west coast...he gets the news later than we do.

[hesscl34]

Duh!

[superskins]

you

[Reverend Redskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

What's wrong with this team now is we forgotten who we are as a team and as fans! Team isn't about getting the beat free agents or the next great college star in the draft! It's about getting parts that fit that makes a team! I just watched the NFL networks America"s Game About the 82 Redskins. What we have lost is the sighted is it's not about getting a team of all star together but getting players that fit what we wanted to do. There is no substitute for hard work and throwing money at what you wanted isn't going to make it happen. What we need to get back to is look for players that fit what we wanted to do. As coaches find what we wanted to do. As a Owner look at what has worked and throw off what hasn't!

Another thing that hit me watching that show we will never be the Cowboys and would never wanted to be. The media is never going to love the Redskins! I like it like that ..... us against the world and that's the kind of owner,coaches,players and fans we all need to be! So when they say bad things about us.... who gives a shit!

So what do we need to do in free agentcy and the draft? Find players that fit what we need to make it work. If one is a so called star so be it. If one is a rejected from some other team so be it. What ever it takes! We as a team need to get back to what makes us great Redskins and that is us against the world mentality.

That program you just watched stated that in the beginning of his first season, Gibbs adjusted his game planning to fit the personell he had. That would contradict your idea that the old school skins found the pieces to fit the puzzle. It showes that Gibbs then (and he can now, too) made the puzzle fit the pieces.

[dmek25]

welcome rev. and whats wrong is the mods have way too much power around here

[Redskin]

So anyway i must have read posts like this atleast 1,000,000 times before and the answers are akways the same

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Redskin

So anyway i must have read posts like this atleast 1,000,000 times before and the answers are akways the same

Too much can not be made of Gibbs' absurd addiction to Brunell. It profoundly hindered the development of the offense. Gibbs' attempted fixes of the offense's lameness, which he refused to attribute to Brunell, led to a neglect of the defense, which now must be attended to. A second element has been Williams' apparent belief that his system, not superior players, was the cause of his success. This, consequently caused a loss of fine players, as well as a failure to pick up good ones.
There's nothing inherently wrong with FA policy, so forget that nonsense. The fault lies in how we implemented that policy, which essentially has consisted of bringing too many bad FA's in and letting too many good FA's go.
It all goes back to Gibbs. Sorry, but it does.

[atomicnixon]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Too much can not be made of Gibbs' absurd addiction to Brunell. It profoundly hindered the development of the offense. Gibbs' attempted fixes of the offense's lameness, which he refused to attribute to Brunell, led to a neglect of the defense, which now must be attended to. A second element has been Williams' apparent belief that his system, not superior players, was the cause of his success. This, consequently caused a loss of fine players, as well as a failure to pick up good ones.
There's nothing inherently wrong with FA policy, so forget that nonsense. The fault lies in how we implemented that policy, which essentially has consisted of bringing too many bad FA's in and letting too many good FA's go.
It all goes back to Gibbs. Sorry, but it does.

It is the system, not the players. You're very misguided in listening to Adam Archuleta. Gregg Williams defense was always superior, he went to a Super Bowl with the Titans with an amazing defense, turned around, went to Buffalo, and had another amazing defense. Williams landed here in Washington with mostly players that were already here, and had the 3rd ranked defense. So it is the system, the other part is the will of the players to accept that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by atomicnixon

It is the system, not the players. You're very misguided in listening to Adam Archuleta. Gregg Williams defense was always superior, he went to a Super Bowl with the Titans with an amazing defense, turned around, went to Buffalo, and had another amazing defense. Williams landed here in Washington with mostly players that were already here, and had the 3rd ranked defense. So it is the system, the other part is the will of the players to accept that.

This is some strong, solid evidence for a point I generally disagree with; that a system can take an inferior team and better them substacially, or take a great team and worsen them substancially.

So how would I address this inconsistency in my argument?

Well, the Washington sample is easy. Grilliams had a bunch of players in the prime of their careers in '04. He lost some talent to free agency, and some of the returning players regressed in 2005, yet the defense was able to upkeep its top 10 status due to good fortune and timely turnovers. IN 2006, he lost even more talent to FA and injuries and many players in the front seven greatly regressed. Really nothing Williams could have called would have mattered. I would at least have made Carlos Rogers start pressing more often...but that wouldn't have changed a whole lot.

But you cite additional evidence for his Tennessee and Buffalo tenures that I would have to somehow discredit to support my assumption. I don't know much about the defensive roster makeup of those two teams. I know who the stars were, but that doesn't help all that much. What I can do, at the very least, is see how good these defenses were under Williams.

Buffalo was a very poor defense in Williams' first two years as HC there, but improved to be one of the league's best in his third. This is a complete inverse of the Washington sample. Very similarly, his super bowl year in Tennessee, his unit ranked in the bottom half of the league. The next year, it rose to second.

If scheme/coaching was responsible for the success of Williams' teams and also responsible for the failure of his teams, it doesn't make sense that his first DC stint and his HC stint produced defensive rosters that bettered every year he was in power, while Washington worsened. A much more plausible answer was that while Gregg Williams has a track record for sqeezing the most possible production out of little talent, consistently outcoaching your opponents isn't possible. Eventually, even the most ignorant of opponents will outscheme you. The one constant in successful sustained defense is great production from your defensive players.

So that's where I'm coming from. You find a coach that could have gotten this 2006 defense to play decently, and I'll lead the campaign to get him inducted into Canton tomorrow.

[over the mountain]

sorry for bringing back a dead thread and nothing i am going to write has not been written here before i am sure but i agree with redskins pete, the FO has done a horrible job of figuring out how to win football games . .

back when we had brad johnson at qb ('98?) things were building realtively well we just needed a kicker to make a few more kicks; since brad has left and spurrier came in it has been a non-stop carousel at QB which is IMO the very most important postion to have a return starter . .with the whole gators qb crew, the non-development (got creamed rookie year) then mishandling (when primed to give best shoot gets usurped by boonnel) of ramsey our team has never really had a shoot at consistent winning . . . i think campbell is going to right many wrongs on our offense but i probaly thought the same thing when ramsey was returning for his 2nd year . .

ps what portis adds to our offense over betts is not worth 10 mill a year, does his contract reach 15 mill at some point? this is the last year portis' contract stays earthly unless the skins can do some serious magic

[offiss]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

sorry for bringing back a dead thread and nothing i am going to write has not been written here before i am sure but i agree with redskins pete, the FO has done a horrible job of figuring out how to win football games . .

back when we had brad johnson at qb ('98?) things were building realtively well we just needed a kicker to make a few more kicks; since brad has left and spurrier came in it has been a non-stop carousel at QB which is IMO the very most important postion to have a return starter . .with the whole gators qb crew, the non-development (got creamed rookie year) then mishandling (when primed to give best shoot gets usurped by boonnel) of ramsey our team has never really had a shoot at consistent winning . . . i think campbell is going to right many wrongs on our offense but i probaly thought the same thing when ramsey was returning for his 2nd year . .

ps what portis adds to our offense over betts is not worth 10 mill a year, does his contract reach 15 mill at some point? this is the last year portis' contract stays earthly unless the skins can do some serious magic

Nice post, word of warning OVM, you can't take shots at Brunell, Portis, or Gibbs, it's a site rule. And the name Ramsey has been stricken, so let it be written, so let it be done.

[skinsfan_nn]

oh plz!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

What's wrong with this team now is we forgotten who we are as a team and as fans! Team isn't about getting the beat free agents or the next great college star in the draft! It's about getting parts that fit that makes a team! I just watched the NFL networks America"s Game About the 82 Redskins. What we have lost is the sighted is it's not about getting a team of all star together but getting players that fit what we wanted to do. There is no substitute for hard work and throwing money at what you wanted isn't going to make it happen. What we need to get back to is look for players that fit what we wanted to do. As coaches find what we wanted to do. As a Owner look at what has worked and throw off what hasn't!

Another thing that hit me watching that show we will never be the Cowboys and would never wanted to be. The media is never going to love the Redskins! I like it like that ..... us against the world and that's the kind of owner,coaches,players and fans we all need to be! So when they say bad things about us.... who gives a shit!

So what do we need to do in free agentcy and the draft? Find players that fit what we need to make it work. If one is a so called star so be it. If one is a rejected from some other team so be it. What ever it takes! We as a team need to get back to what makes us great Redskins and that is us against the world mentality.

Continue to look on the brightside RedskinPete, and remember that all sickness is not death. Things will get better if we can get our defense back in the top ten we will win our share of games. Even as bad as we played last year, there were still some moments when we resembled a team.