Santana vs. Randy

[gabe1984]

There was a little debate going on about this in the Brady's Bedtime Buddies thread. I just want to bring this out in the open for everyone to discuss. Right now, which Moss would you rather have on the team, Santanna or Randy. I'm sayin Santanna.

1) Randy Moss is getting old, while Santanna is in the prime of his career.

2) Randy Moss is afraid to get hit, while Santanna constantly goes over the middle and takes shots. I have seen Randy Moss stop running routes before because he knew he was going to get hit. If you doubt me, watch the 2001 NFC Championship game when the Giants spanked Minnesota. He wouldn't even sacrifice his body in a big game.

3) Randy takes plays off, Sanatanna goes hard the entire game.

4) Randy has a huge ego and an attitude problem while Santanna just wants to win.

5) Randy does not have the YAC ability that Santanna has. While Randy may be a better deep ball threat, Santanna is no slouch there either. Brunell to Moss, TD! Brunell to Moss, TD! Does anyone remember that game?

While in the prime of his career Randy may have be better than Santanna, there is no way I'd rather have him on the Skins than Santanna right now.

[12thMan]

There's only one receiver in the entire NFL that I would take over S. Moss; Steve Smith. And even then I feel like I'm splitting hairs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There's only one receiver in the entire NFL that I would take over S. Moss; Steve Smith. And even then I feel like I'm splitting hairs.

12th man, I completely agree, even if no one else does.

Run after the catch ability is so vital to the value of any given receiver. If I had to guess, I would say that 2/3's of a guys value is determined by his ability to make plays after the catch. No one is better in this respect than Smith and Moss.

Not even Randy Moss.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

There's only one receiver in the entire NFL that I would take over S. Moss; Steve Smith. And even then I feel like I'm splitting hairs.

splitting hairs?? Steve Smith, as much as i dislike the guy, is one of if not the biggest playmaking WR in the NFL. Can you seriously say that about Santana right now? He has 1 good year here. The other two have been very iffy.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

splitting hairs?? Steve Smith, as much as i dislike the guy, is one of if not the biggest playmaking WR in the NFL. Can you seriously say that about Santana right now? He has 1 good year here. The other two have been very iffy.

At the time I wrote that post, yes, we were splitting hairs. But again, that's just the I see it.

[Daseal]

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

No way. I think he's easily in the top 5. Even if you're not a Skins fan.

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

If he's in the bottom 10-15, I want to know who you think is better than him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

C'mon man, bottom 10 or 15? I know you thrive on pessimism but jeez

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

C'mon man, bottom 10 or 15? I know you thrive on pessimism but jeez

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

I put in bold the players, who I believe may currently be equal, or maybe better than Santanna Moss. Andre Johnson may have more talent, but he hasnt' gotten the chance to prove it yet because of his bad team. In addition, I believe that Santanna is faster than Randy.

Scroll down here to his 10th response involving his 40 time.
EXTREMESKINS.com - Oct 13: Santana Moss

Look at the bottom where it says trade to patriots.
Randy Moss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks to me they're about the same, Santanna may have the edge.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm assuming he meant bottom of the top 10 or 15 (i.e. 14/15). Awkward phrasing though.

Off the Top of My Head and In no particular order, the top 15 receivers (give or take a few) in the league. So you are telling me Moss is at the bottom of that? Who would you take over him (not counting age)? Smith, Holt, C. Johnson, Harrison, Fitzgerald, maybe Andre Johnson (who would be a real stud on a better team). So that still puts you at #7 on a bad day, but I guess you could make the argument for #9 or 10 . . . certainly not out of the top ten though.

Steve Smith
Chad Johnson
Marvin Harrison
Reggie Wayne
T.O.
Donald Driver
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Laverneous Coles
Hines Ward
Andre Johnson
Javon Walker
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Santana Moss

the players in bold should not even be mentioned on the list or in the same breath as the others on this list. Where the hell did Javon Walker come from, he simply hasn't played long enough to make this list (34 Games Started). Andre Johnson is IMO the most overrated of the bunch. He has never been on a competitive team and gets a bunch of garbage passes which boost his stats. He has only had one 80+ receptions season and has never had more than 6 TD's in a season (meaning that he is neither an outstanding possession or big play receiver). Santana (59) has started roughly the same amount of games as Johnson (61):

receptions: Santana (290); Andre (310) comparable
yards: Santana (4689); Andre (3953) Santana has 700 more
TD's: Santana (34); Andre (17) Santana has DOUBLE

Donald driver has played many more seasons so his career is further along than santana. But his numbers arent that impressive considering his tenure

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think Randy Moss is the overall better player than Santana, I think we'll see what Randy has left in NE. If it's truly gone or just part of being part of an anemic offense. I like Santana, last year he proved a lot to me, but I still think he's at the bottom 10 or maybe even 15 receivers in the NFL.

DUDE! What games were you watching?? SM is in top 5!

[BrunellMVP?]

Randy is still a stud, he had no team around him, no QB, and no hope.
Santana is also a stud, with a young QB and new system.

both are good, i'd rather have santana...but the person who wrote that he'd rather have santana over every reciever save Steve Smith is simply pushing more blind redskins drivel. Please, harrison (old or not), holt, chad johnson, hines ward, anquan boldin, roy williams, these are all guys you've have to consider, with most, i'd argue being better.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

Randy is still a stud, he had no team around him, no QB, and no hope.
Santana is also a stud, with a young QB and new system.

both are good, i'd rather have santana...but the person who wrote that he'd rather have santana over every reciever save Steve Smith is simply pushing more blind redskins drivel. Please, harrison (old or not), holt, chad johnson, hines ward, anquan boldin, roy williams, these are all guys you've have to consider, with most, i'd argue being better.

That was me with the rose colored glasses.

Can you honestly think of, in the past three years, one, just one, wideout who has singled handedly shut the door on opposing teams at the end of the game like Moss has? I can't.

There are some that are probably more physical, some faster, but none can adjust to the ball mid air and turn nothing into something like Santana Moss. And I'd strongly argue your points about Chad, Marvin, Boldin..(They all have either a Pro Bowl QB or a Pro Bowler opposite them.) Hines Ward? You're kidding, right? Roy Williams, nope. Not a game breaker like Moss. Holt...again, look at the supporting cast there. Either he had a prolific passer or a stud opposite him.

And that leaves me with Mr. Smith. I'll say they both have comparable supporting casts, yet Smith, pound for pound, is slightly better than Moss.