How much does a good kick returner and punt returner help out his team?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Just wondering how you guys felt with devin hester, ted ginn in college, dante hall, jerome mathis, and the others how important do you guys think these guys are to their teams

Who will our kick returner be in 2007?

Cartwright
Betts
Randle El (i doubt it)
someone else

thoughts???????????????????

[EXoffender]

Cartwright on kickoffs and Randle-El on punts. To me specialists like Hester, Hall, and others are most valuable when they make an impact on 'teams' and offense/defense. That's why I like the guys we have. Cartwright (no Blaylock talk here) is a solid third RB and Randle-El is, sadly, our second best WR in actuality.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by EXoffender

Cartwright on kickoffs and Randle-El on punts. To me specialists like Hester, Hall, and others are most valuable when they make an impact on 'teams' and offense/defense. That's why I like the guys we have. Cartwright (no Blaylock talk here) is a solid third RB and Randle-El is, sadly, our second best WR in actuality.

lloyd is our 2nd best WR when he plays he just had a pretty bad year last year

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

lloyd is our 2nd best WR when he plays he just had a pretty bad year last year

4 bad years and a pretty mediocre college career.

Who knows what he was like in high school, but growing up around Chicago, I never had heard of him til he broke in with San Fran.

If anyone is wondering why I rag on Lloyd so much, just remember that there are an endless supply of first or second year receivers who are every bit as talented as Lloyd is who aren't headcases who may very well be struggling to put food on their family's table, and Lloyd got 10 million to sign with 20 more due over the next 6 years. When did we start giving away lotto tickets?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

4 bad years and a pretty mediocre college career.

Who knows what he was like in high school, but growing up around Chicago, I never had heard of him til he broke in with San Fran.

If anyone is wondering why I rag on Lloyd so much, just remember that there are an endless supply of first or second year receivers who are every bit as talented as Lloyd is who aren't headcases who may very well be struggling to put food on their family's table, and Lloyd got 10 million to sign with 20 more due over the next 6 years. When did we start giving away lotto tickets?

he and ladell played in high school together and played both ways the only player om that team that did so but he hasnt proved it and if he doesnt look for him to be gone

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

4 bad years and a pretty mediocre college career.

Who knows what he was like in high school, but growing up around Chicago, I never had heard of him til he broke in with San Fran.

If anyone is wondering why I rag on Lloyd so much, just remember that there are an endless supply of first or second year receivers who are every bit as talented as Lloyd is who aren't headcases who may very well be struggling to put food on their family's table, and Lloyd got 10 million to sign with 20 more due over the next 6 years. When did we start giving away lotto tickets?

Where have you been we have been handing out lotto tickets for 8 to 10 years.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

lloyd is our 2nd best WR when he plays he just had a pretty bad year last year

According to the numbers and on-field impact, ARE is clearly the #2. Lloyd has done nothing but stink since he became a Skin, and is the #3 until he proves otherwise.

[skinsfan_nn]

Rock,Blaylock,Betts or even Thrash on kickoffs, whoever is the most productive should have the job.

El has the potential to be very dangerous on punts. Lloyd is supposed to be our #2 WR but to this point he sure hasen't proved it ( I think he has ONE year to do so ), I'd take EL at #2 WR at this point.

[dmek25]

why the need for 8000 new threads? its pretty cut and dry, randle el on punts, and Cartwright on kickoffs. the return game can easily change the outcome of a game. from field position to six points, good returns are usually back breakers

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by dmek25

why the need for 8000 new threads? its pretty cut and dry, randle el on punts, and Cartwright on kickoffs. the return game can easily change the outcome of a game. from field position to six points, good returns are usually back breakers

'Nuff said.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Just wondering how you guys felt with devin hester, ted ginn in college, dante hall, jerome mathis, and the others how important do you guys think these guys are to their teams

Who will our kick returner be in 2007?

Cartwright
Betts
Randle El (i doubt it)
someone else

thoughts???????????????????

Don't count Derrick Blalock out of the return game.

The Redskins are ahead of the game regarding returns because, quite frankly, they understand it better than a lot of other teams.

Lots of teams like to put receivers back there to return kicks, but its the Running Backs whose job and skill set most resembles that of the ideal kick returner. It's all about vision, holding on to the ball, and getting up the field without hesitation.

How many receivers do you see who tiptoe, fumble, or just don't see the holes on kickoff return, yet their teams seem to play them because they are fast. Honestly, whats the difference between a guy who runs up the field with 4.3 speed and a guy who runs 4.6 if they both have horrible vision? 2-3 yards? Having vision and field presence is way more important than that.

I'd let my fullbacks return kicks before receivers, assuming said fullback had the speed to not get caught from behind in the open field.

Cartwright, Betts, and Blalock are all good options to return kicks. Until further notice, I'd have to believe that Rock has the inside track.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Don't count Derrick Blalock out of the return game.

The Redskins are ahead of the game regarding returns because, quite frankly, they understand it better than a lot of other teams.

Lots of teams like to put receivers back there to return kicks, but its the Running Backs whose job and skill set most resembles that of the ideal kick returner. It's all about vision, holding on to the ball, and getting up the field without hesitation.

How many receivers do you see who tiptoe, fumble, or just don't see the holes on kickoff return, yet their teams seem to play them because they are fast. Honestly, whats the difference between a guy who runs up the field with 4.3 speed and a guy who runs 4.6 if they both have horrible vision? 2-3 yards? Having vision and field presence is way more important than that.

I'd let my fullbacks return kicks before receivers, assuming said fullback had the speed to not get caught from behind in the open field.

Cartwright, Betts, and Blalock are all good options to return kicks. Until further notice, I'd have to believe that Rock has the inside track.

I don't agree so much on the RB-WR theory of kick returns. Yes, vision is immensely important to both KR and PR, but thats not to say that RB's primarily possess that skills set. Many WR DO possess that, Dante Hall, Steve Smith, Tim Dwight, and our own James Thrash to a certain extent. You have to treat it on a player by player basis. Also CB's, like Devin Hester and possibly the greatest returner Peion Sanders, sometimes make the best returners and they seemingly possess many of the same skills as the WR's that they cover. In college, at MD, I watched Steve Suter (a WR) become the all time leader in KR's a few years ago. There is really no formula that you can use to positionally predict who will be a good KR. Some ppl have that pick a crease and hit it mentality that good returners thrive on. I will say that WR's that excel tend to be slot receivers who have a little bit of bulk on them and aren't big targets with lots of room to tackle them.

[Master4Caster]

Kickers, punters and returners are like quarterbacks. They handle the ball every play, and they get too much credit/blame for whatever happens. Like with quarterbacks, there are 10 other men on the field and it takes all of them doing their job right for a play to work.

Special teams own field position. Kick-off/punt squads have to get distance. Half of that is how well they cover the kick. On returns, it's how well they open running lanes so the retuner has a shot for distance. You can measure kickers/punters/returners for distance, but it's net distance that really counts.

No matter the returner, if the squad can win two games a season, they are doing great.

Rock Cartwright ranked 17th in average KO returns (and one spectacular TD return). Randle El ranked 20th on average punt returns (1 TD). There's room for improvement. The Redskins brought in a lot of young backs (e.g., Mason, Caulley) and receivers (e.g., Brown, Melendez) who will only make the team as special teamers. The punt and kick-off returners could be one of them as well as Rock and ARE.

Stay tuned.

[MonkFan4Life]

Randel El - Punts

Cartwright, Blaylock - Kickoffs

My question is will Mike Espy get a chance to play this year ?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Randel El - Punts

Cartwright, Blaylock - Kickoffs

My question is will Mike Espy get a chance to play this year ?

i doubt it