Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[12thMan]

This holdout is getting more interesting by the day. On one hand, Quinn was chosen late in the first round, but on the other hand he is a top quarterback prospect. So the Browns are like, hey, we want to pay you like the 22nd pick should be paid - and that's fair. Quinn's agent wants him to get paid like he's the man, and to some that's fair too.

I think the bigger question, at least in mind, is do players respect the game anymore? I'm sure people that know Quinn personally will tell you,to a person, that Brady loves Cleveland, loves football, blah, blah. But couldn't he step in and end this and bring his ass to camp? It's bad enough you have guys that are already in the league that have this sense of entitlement. Lance Briggs and Strahan are two that jump out at me for some reason.

But now a days, you have these kids coming straight out of college that want it all. Help me out here please....

ESPN - Browns impatient as QB Quinn holdout continues - NFL

[mooby]

I think they could meet somewhere in the middle on this one, I don't think Quinn should be paid like a top ten pick because he wasn't one, but on the other hand he's a top ten talent. Pay him like the 16th draft pick would be paid, that's kinda meeting in the middle. And if all that Quinn loves football, loves Cleveland, talk is true, then he would've accepted the first thing they threw at him because he wouldn't want to miss any time.

[12thMan]

I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers.

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a pedal stool.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers.

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a peddle stool.

But what does USC have to do with Brady Quinn? Didn't he play at Notre Dame?

I think I can't begrudge the man for going for as much as possible. That said though, whether or not he's a top 10 talent shouldn't matter as much as where he actually selected. You can load up his contract with incentives but the basics of the salary should be relatively in accordance with where he was selected, in my opinion.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree. The Browns know they got lucky to get the kid at 22, but by the same token you would think he wouldn't be playing hard ball with them. He's definitely falling out of favor with the fans every day this thing lingers.

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a peddle stool.

Quinn played at Notre Dame. But the USC effect you speak of might still apply to ND players; no college gets ND's national TV coverage.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I hate to say it, but I think playing at USC breeds this mentality in these college athletes. They're constantly in the spot light and placed on a peddle stool.

What is a peddle stool?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

What is a peddle stool?

I had a few when I started that thread....

[Schneed10]

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't see Quinn's point of view in even the slightest bit. If he was a "top QB prospect", then somebody would have taken him higher. The fact that 21 teams passed on him means exactly this: there are 21 players deemed to be worth more to their teams.

He should shut up and get paid like the 22nd pick.

Easy for me to say, because it's millions of dollars at stake. But you can't deny the logic.

He thinks he's the franchise QB. I mean, it's completely subjective whether or not you think the Browns took him for value (like the Pack did with Rodgers), or to be the franchise QB (like we did with Campbell), but if hes going to be the starting QB for many years, hes going to want to be paid like one.

If the Browns think Quinn is a "top QB prospect" (they did trade their 2008 first rounder to get him...and they are Cleveland), thats really all the leverage he needs. Doesn't matter what 31 other teams think.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He thinks he's the franchise QB. I mean, it's completely subjective whether or not you think the Browns took him for value (like the Pack did with Rodgers), or to be the franchise QB (like we did with Campbell), but if hes going to be the starting QB for many years, hes going to want to be paid like one.

I think teams are being more cautious now in the wake of guys like Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, ummmm...what's his face...San Diego? Yeah, Ryan Leaf!!! So there's no guarantee a guy is a franchise QB until he becomes a franchise QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think teams are being more cautious now in the wake of guys like Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, ummmm...what's his face...San Diego? Yeah, Ryan Leaf!!! So there's no guarantee a guy is a franchise QB until he becomes a franchise QB.

QB projection system!

Which admittenly is irrelevant given the general ignorance of the system around the league (Save Philly). Still, the Packers could make your argument with Rogers since he fell into their laps. The Browns gave up a lot to get Quinn, and they obviously value him.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

QB projection system!

Which admittenly is irrelevant given the general ignorance of the system around the league (Save Philly). Still, the Packers could make your argument with Rogers since he fell into their laps. The Browns gave up a lot to get Quinn, and they obviously value him.

See, I knew I made the right choice by picking you as talent evaluator.But still, the Packers have a Hall of Famer in front of Rodgers, that's the difference. So to some extent, we're talking apples and oranges with those situations.

[Crat92]

Quinn is being stupid. I mean come on..........it is what it is! 22nd pick, 22nd money. Plain and simple. The browns wouldn't have this problem if they would have drafted Troy Smith!

[Paintrain]

This notion of he's a Top 10 talent is ridiculous. He was drafted 22nd overall and should be paid accordingly. Cleveland is somewhat over the barrel because they can't just say 'screw you, here's our offer, call us when you're ready to accept' because they gave up next year's #1 and the fans would crucify them if they did that for nothing.

That being said, if you think you are that talented, think you are that much of a stud, think you are 'that guy' then load that contract with incentives, play to your talent, cash in and either re-sign for the long haul or bounce out at the end of your deal.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He thinks he's the franchise QB. I mean, it's completely subjective whether or not you think the Browns took him for value (like the Pack did with Rodgers), or to be the franchise QB (like we did with Campbell), but if hes going to be the starting QB for many years, hes going to want to be paid like one.

If the Browns think Quinn is a "top QB prospect" (they did trade their 2008 first rounder to get him...and they are Cleveland), thats really all the leverage he needs. Doesn't matter what 31 other teams think.

OK fine, he wants to be paid like a starting QB, that's fine. But if Brady Quinn thinks he can dictate the market value for starting QBs in their rookie season who are drafted in the 20s of the first round, he's got another thing coming.

Let's say Brady Quinn thinks he's going to start for a long time. Jason Campbell's starting for a long time for us, he was drafted 25th. He's getting $8 million over 5 years with a signing bonus of less than $1 million.

Aaron Rodgers didn't get much more than that. Explain to me what leg Quinn has to stand on if he's trying to ask for much more than that?

You can think you're a starter and a franchise QB all you want, but the market is what guides your value. The Browns have no reason to rush Quinn into action in his rookie season; it's not like he's going to be their savior this year. The Browns have all the leverage here, and Quinn's grasping at straws.