Clinton Portis

[dmek25]

while I'm not happy with the loss, this really bothers me. why does it seem like Portis is always on the bench in crunch time? i have no problem with calling a run at the end of a game. i do have a problem with our back up carrying it. the one thing Portis has shown here is the ability to get into the end zone. it seemed like for alot of the second half, Portis was on the sideline. the man is too good, and makes too much, to be a spectator

[MTK]

I don't have a big problem with it. Betts has been a very productive runner for us and he has to be able to get it done in big spots just like Portis.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't have a big problem with it. Betts has been a very productive runner for us and he has to be able to get it done in big spots just like Portis.

WRONG. You put your best players in when the game is on the line, period. The fact that Betts has been a productive runner for us in the past doesn't factor into this equation. It's nice to have a productive backup, but he shouldn't be in there in that situation. To have Portis on the sideline as much as he was is ridiculous.

[Monkeydad]

He WAS hurt in the 2nd qtr, knee or leg it looked like, but he did come back in the second half.

Maybe it was his drops and fumbles.

Betts is a good shot to score too, it's not like we had a scrub trying to push into the end zone. I would've liked to see Sellers with a run on that last goal-line push, but if Betts HAD scored, you'd all be praising him and asking for him to start over Portis.

We can't go back in time. Gibbs has taken us to 4 Super Bowls and at the time, he trusted his players to execute. They didn't.

[mredskins]

Regardless of who was running the ball at the end of the game it would have not mattered the line fall apart on the last two plays.

[Southpaw]

Gibbs stated Betts was in because he was in on the entire last drive, so it just made sense to leave him in to finish the drive. The problem is, Portis has a nose for the endzone and Betts seems like he's effing scared of scoring touchdowns. Gibbs also stated that those last two runs are their best running play. The second issue is, those are Portis' best runs. Betts is most effective running inside, so I don't understand the call to run Betts wide.

The supposed "power back" got stoned by Antonio Pierce(who didn't even wrap him up initially) on third down, and then TRIPPED on fourth and the game. That was frustrating as hell to watch. Of course the game shouldn't have come down to that, but watching Campbell lead them down to the one yard line, and then Betts falling down with the game on the line pissed me off.

[Takeuon]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Gibbs stated Betts was in because he was in on the entire last drive, so it just made sense to leave him in to finish the drive. The problem is, Portis has a nose for the endzone and Betts seems like he's effing scared of scoring touchdowns. Gibbs also stated that those last two runs are their best running play. The second issue is, those are Portis' best runs. Betts is most effective running inside, so I don't understand the call to run Betts wide.

The supposed "power back" got stoned by Antonio Pierce(who didn't even wrap him up initially) on third down, and then TRIPPED on fourth and the game. That was frustrating as hell to watch. Of course the game shouldn't have come down to that, but watching Campbell lead them down to the one yard line, and then Betts falling down with the game on the line pissed me off.

Agreed.....was hard to stomach! I'm still picking up my hair I pulled out, off the floor of the bar I watched the game at. Not really sure if Portis would have been any beter then Betts in that situation. Whatever the case....we sure didnt need to rush that play with over 25 secs to go :o( O-line was not prepared.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Gibbs stated Betts was in because he was in on the entire last drive, so it just made sense to leave him in to finish the drive. The problem is, Portis has a nose for the endzone and Betts seems like he's effing scared of scoring touchdowns. Gibbs also stated that those last two runs are their best running play. The second issue is, those are Portis' best runs. Betts is most effective running inside, so I don't understand the call to run Betts wide.

The supposed "power back" got stoned by Antonio Pierce(who didn't even wrap him up initially) on third down, and then TRIPPED on fourth and the game. That was frustrating as hell to watch. Of course the game shouldn't have come down to that, but watching Campbell lead them down to the one yard line, and then Betts falling down with the game on the line pissed me off.

Exactly...that's a play where Portis lowers his pads and goes into the endzone standing up! Betts didn't level his pads and didn't seem to make any effort to break the tackle.

As for Portis getting stuffed on 3 dives a few years ago. Betts is the same back who had someone grab his shirt tail and go down on like the 3. His shirt tail and he couldn't break the guy's grip in order to score. People need to see Betts for what he does: good vision, find the hole, hit the hole, go down after one hit (and generally fall backwards)

[jbcjr14]

If you really want to break down some things CP's fumble and his dropped pass (easily would have been a 1st down) really hurt this football team yesterday. I don't think he played well at all outside the crushing block on Pierce and a couple good runs. Let us not forget he also got a delay of game for spinning the damn ball after a 10 yard run...idiot!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

If you really want to break down some things CP's fumble and his dropped pass (easily would have been a 1st down) really hurt this football team yesterday. I don't think he played well at all outside the crushing block on Pierce and a couple good runs. Let us not forget he also got a delay of game for spinning the damn ball after a 10 yard run...idiot!

It was a 5 yard penalty for spiking the ball

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

If you really want to break down some things CP's fumble and his dropped pass (easily would have been a 1st down) really hurt this football team yesterday. I don't think he played well at all outside the crushing block on Pierce and a couple good runs. Let us not forget he also got a delay of game for spinning the damn ball after a 10 yard run...idiot!

What does Portis dropping a pass, or muffing a handoff have to do with Betts being unable to get into the endzone, or tripping over his one lineman with the game on the line? Of course those plays hurt(like several others from several other players), but the point is, Portis finds the endzone, and Betts doesn't.

Betts runs well when there's a hole. If there's no hole for him to run through, he's ineffective. Portis can at least attempt to make something out of nothing, which is a skill the Betts completely lacks.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

If you really want to break down some things CP's fumble and his dropped pass (easily would have been a 1st down) really hurt this football team yesterday. I don't think he played well at all outside the crushing block on Pierce and a couple good runs. Let us not forget he also got a delay of game for spinning the damn ball after a 10 yard run...idiot!

that fumble lies more on Campbell then Portis. its his responsibility to make sure the hand-off hits portis in the chest

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by dmek25

that fumble lies more on Campbell then Portis. its his responsibility to make sure the hand-off hits portis in the chest

Nothing Campbell could do different there. Portis shouldn't have been reaching for the ball. He should have let Campbell put it in the breadbasket. Instead he reached for the ball because he was too anxious to hit the hole and it dropped.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

that fumble lies more on Campbell then Portis. its his responsibility to make sure the hand-off hits portis in the chest

There is some responsibility on Campbell, but the majority is on Portis. The ball hit his arm. This is RB 101, you always have your arms opened where you receive the ball. This is practiced everyday and is inexcusable for a $ 5M + per year RB.

[WillH]

Im sorry, there is NO WAY Betts is even nearly as good as CP at finding the goal line. I agree that it seemed ridiculous to me that he wasn't in there on those last two plays. Obviously there was something coach saw that I didn't, but it still made me wanna tear my hair out.