One Decision Overlooked!

[skinsfan242]

In all of this there was one decesion by the Coaching staff that still eats away at me. It wasn't the play calling which for the most part was good. We weren't conservative we went for the kill a bunch, we had a good mix.

The one thing that eats away at me which I think a bunch of people overlooked. The Pass to Cooley on 3rd and 7. He clearly got within a yard of the first down, but they gave a horrible spot. Now I understand if you don't want to challenge becuase you might risk a timeout. But why in the World do you call a Timeout instead of Challenge? Make no sense in the World. You might get the extra yard and a free timeout. What is the worst that will happen you lose a timeout, well you just freakin called one instead. Absolutely morronic, that just make me wonder what in the world is going on.

I'm not questioning the play calling or game plan because I thought it was great, we just didn't execute in critical situations.

Also second straight time Thrash gets called for Garabge that could have changed a game.

[skinsfan242]

Sorry my spelling was bad.

[MTK]

Yeah that was a mega shitty spot on that catch by Cooley. I was hoping for a challenge too.

[Sean Taylor]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah that was a mega shitty spot on that catch by Cooley. I was hoping for a challenge too.

50 yd atttempt maybe?

[GMScud]

Amazing that for a man who is as supposedly brilliant as Gibbs, this kind of clock mismanagement has become a trend this time around. As a skins fan I am SOOOOOO tired of saying "what if."

[Rajmahal33]

In defense of Gibbs on the decision to not challenge, that is really the responsibility of Saunders or someone up in the booth with access to multiple camera angles to make that call. It is really hard to know from the sideline that the spot was bad when it happened on the other sideline. It could have gone on Cooley as well b/c he has to let Gibbs know but i didn't see him running over to the sideline and pleading his case. Also given the lack of definitive markers to respot the ball (since he dove out of bounds), the call probably wouldnt have been overturned (as most spotting reveiws aren't) and almost certainly wouldn't have given us a first down. How is Gibbs supposed to intuitively know that the spot was bad and just throw away one of his reviews. I don't however defend the Timeout on 3rd and 7, that was stupid, but it seemed like JC was the one who wanted it cuz he was unsure of something. Also the play call on 4th and short was awful...RUN WITH MIKE SELLERS and if nothing else never throw an OUT (esp on a muddy field), throw a swing pass with ur FACE to the defender

[SC Skins Fan]

HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

SC Skins, I understand your logic, but look at it this way, we challenge the spot, it gets overturned, the Skins pick up an extra yard or yard and a half, they STILL get charged a timeout because they don't get the first, but now you have 4th a 1/2 and not 4th and 2. Net result.... you gained 1 yard to 1 1/2 yards during the timeout you were going to take anyway? Ok, I saw this and thought this during the game, not now on Monday afternoon. I don't get paid millions to tell Gibbs to challenge, but someone does!!! Why don't they see these things that we all see?

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

because i think it was something like it did not make it a first down. because when you challenge that you are basically challenging to try for a first down which in this case the spot was wrong but not enough to give them a first down..
But still why not challenge it hell you still get charged a time out. but you will have a longer time out with them reviewing it and give you more time to figure out plays and not rush to it. yeah i know it gives the def a time out to rest too but shouldnt rush when making a decision that will cost you the game. I would have gone for the FG i know it would have been a long 50yd but didnt suish make one that long before. or atleast line up to try and draw them offsides as i stated in another post. no worries about the center cuz rabach wouldnt be in for a long snap. but on that play i dont see why JC didnt go to Keenan McCardell, who looked wide oopen to me.
I may not have worded it right but thats how i think it was.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

In defense of Gibbs on the decision to not challenge, that is really the responsibility of Saunders or someone up in the booth with access to multiple camera angles to make that call. It is really hard to know from the sideline that the spot was bad when it happened on the other sideline. It could have gone on Cooley as well b/c he has to let Gibbs know but i didn't see him running over to the sideline and pleading his case. Also given the lack of definitive markers to respot the ball (since he dove out of bounds), the call probably wouldnt have been overturned (as most spotting reveiws aren't) and almost certainly wouldn't have given us a first down. How is Gibbs supposed to intuitively know that the spot was bad and just throw away one of his reviews. I don't however defend the Timeout on 3rd and 7, that was stupid, but it seemed like JC was the one who wanted it cuz he was unsure of something. Also the play call on 4th and short was awful...RUN WITH MIKE SELLERS and if nothing else never throw an OUT (esp on a muddy field), throw a swing pass with ur FACE to the defender

Wrong, Sellers was just the first read on the play. McCardell was open and JC just messed up. He got scared and threw a quick pass.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Wrong, Sellers was just the first read on the play. McCardell was open and JC just messed up. He got scared and threw a quick pass.

Can we just ditch that play altogether? Gibbs ran the same swing pass to the flat on 2nd down at the goal line against the Giants. Campbell is not particularly accurate on throws to the flat. It reeks of Martyball - run a 1 yard route on 4th and 2.

[The Zimmermans]

i was so F****** angry about the play call on 4 and 2 though

AFTER A WASTED TIMEOUT!!!!!!!! LETS GIVE THE BALL TO BETTS

[offiss]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i was so F****** angry about the play call on 4 and 2 though

AFTER A WASTED TIMEOUT!!!!!!!! LETS GIVE THE BALL TO BETTS

What doesn't make sense on that play is that they cleared out the backfield, why on 4th and short you don't have a RB in the backfield to make the defense respect the run is stupid, once you clear out the backfield you become 1 dimensional, play action in that situation if you decide to throw it is a big advantage to forcing LB's to commit to the run opening the short routes, the fact that we only needed 2 yards allows the defense to start jumping the short routes which in turn gets you a 1 yard pass on 4th and 2, and it's not the first time they have went with that set the last couple of years in those type of situations.

[Gmanc711]

I didnt even realize that til you just posted that. Ussually I wont get too mad if I dont realize things before hand, but that does make a lot of sense.

[Schneed10]

I know you can challenge a spot when a player is getting tackled, but can you challenge a spot when they're diving out of bounds?