Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor

Riggo44 · 12-04-2007, 09:16 PM

I sure hope they charge this piece of trash as an adult. I’ll be pretty pissed off if he get’s out in a few years because he was 17 when he shot Sean.

ESPN - Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor - NFL

SouperMeister · 12-04-2007, 09:22 PM

Any judge who tries a 17 year old cold-blooded murdering thug as a juvenile should be removed from the bench. I noticed that Rivera was on the shorter side. Tough guy when he has a gun - We'll see how tough he is when mixed with more hardened criminals.

Redskin Rich · 12-04-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

I sure hope they charge this piece of trash as an adult. I’ll be pretty pissed off if he get’s out in a few years because he was 17 when he shot Sean.

ESPN - Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor - NFL

They generally charge 16 & 17 year olds as adults in these crimes.

skinsfan69 · 12-04-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

I sure hope they charge this piece of trash as an adult. I’ll be pretty pissed off if he get’s out in a few years because he was 17 when he shot Sean.

ESPN - Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor - NFL

I remember when I was 17 and I did some silly stuff. Throw snowballs at police cars, drank beer, toilet papered some chicks houses. Just stupid stuff. But never ever ever did me and my friends have a gun nor would we ever break into someones house and steal something. I just can't imagine what the hell these guys were thinking. Didn't they see a car in the driveway? I mean I'm just still in shock over this. But I'll tell you what. I'm considering buying a gun now. I would have no problem blowing some little punk's head off if my house was invaded.

Bozzy · 12-04-2007, 09:31 PM

It's such BS that they didn't expect Sean to be home.. They took a LOADED gun into a residence. You don't do that if you don't plan to use it. I hope they throw the book at these punks. Literally and figuratively. I hope it's a nice big fat book too.

Lady Brave · 12-04-2007, 09:49 PM

Per Florida's statutes, the state's attorney can file a "discretionary waiver" which is a motion requesting the court to transfer the child for criminal prosecution if the child was 14 years of age or older at the time the alleged delinquent act or violation of law was committed.

He's going to be tried as an adult. All I can say is Florida isn't wasting any time. The case is already transferred from juvenile court and an indictment issued in a week? That's really fast.

VTSkins897 · 12-04-2007, 09:57 PM

the sooner they're in the ground the better

wilsowilso · 12-04-2007, 10:35 PM

Look if any of you are looking for the death penalty for any of these guys you can forget it. The shooter is 17 and the Supreme Court just ruled that it's Unconstitutional to exucute anyone under 18. The rest of these idiots are not even eligible for the death penalty under Florida law.

My big concern is this. Some of these guys will make it back into society one day and believe you me chances are they will be ten times as worthless and 100 times a bigger threat to the general public. There is no justice in that. This nightmare has no end in sight. Or maybe we can start to change things. We gotta get rid of many of the types of the guns in our society that are most frequently used in violent crimes. Period.

DynamiteRave · 12-04-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Look if any of you are looking for the death penalty for any of these guys you can forget it. The shooter is 17 and the Supreme Court just ruled that it's Unconstitutional to exucute anyone under 18. The rest of these idiots are not even eligible for the death penalty under Florida law.

My big concern is this. Some of these guys will make it back into society one day and believe you me chances are they will be ten times as worthless and 100 times a bigger threat to the general public. There is no justice in that. This nightmare has no end in sight. Or maybe we can start to change things. We gotta get rid of many of the types of the guns in our society that are most frequently used in violent crimes. Period.

My Juvenile Delinquency teacher said by time these guys sit, and then go to trial and then if they have to deal with appeals and such, the guy will probably be 18.

I mean unless the kid either JUST turned 17 or they're gonna throw this thing in court as fast as they can, there's a chance he'll turn 18 before sentencing.

And in violent cases such as murder and rape, juveniles almost always get waived to adult status.

I SERIOUSLY doubt he'll get first degree murder/capital murder because the murder itself wasn't premeditated. Shooter's probably looking at life without the possibility of parole. (Sorry for everyone who wanted him to fry)

HOGTIMUS PRIME · 12-05-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Look if any of you are looking for the death penalty for any of these guys you can forget it. The shooter is 17 and the Supreme Court just ruled that it's Unconstitutional to exucute anyone under 18. The rest of these idiots are not even eligible for the death penalty under Florida law.

My big concern is this. Some of these guys will make it back into society one day and believe you me chances are they will be ten times as worthless and 100 times a bigger threat to the general public. There is no justice in that. This nightmare has no end in sight. Or maybe we can start to change things. We gotta get rid of many of the types of the guns in our society that are most frequently used in violent crimes. Period.

Does it really matter what type of guns are used to kill a person?????????????

Or as Archie Bunker would say "would it make you feel better if they were pushed out of windows!"

The fact is we have laws against murder don't we, yet we still get scum like this who will thumb their nose at the consequences and murder any way, we will never get rid of crime but we can get rid of the criminal, execute their asses and move on. Perhaps the fact that these guys aren't around in 2 years just might help encourage other's not to murder, and if they do they will be dead in a couple of years! Guns are not the problem, the consequences that are supposed to help deter such acts of violence are.

Sammy Baugh Fan · 12-04-2007, 10:46 PM

I have 3 friends getting guns cus of this.

A gun is an American's Right and Choice and I am not advizing either way. As a non-Active Duty Marine I have a weapon but take it VERY serious. It was made to KILL. Period. Guns are not very serious and I know we have folks on both sides of the fence.

If you use a gun in a crime you should get the MAX of the law. Death or Life...the MAX

DynamiteRave · 12-04-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

I have 3 friends getting guns cus of this.

A gun is an American's Right and Choice and I am not advizing either way. As a non-Active Duty Marine I have a weapon but take it VERY serious. It was made to KILL. Period. Guns are not very serious and I know we have folks on both sides of the fence.

If you use a gun in a crime you should get the MAX of the law. Death or Life...the MAX

I don't really advocate gun use. I DEFINITELY am not one of those people who are like get rid of all of them. Cause in the US that's definitely not gonna work. Crime would run CRAZY rampant then. I just wish there was a better tactic so that good people could keep guns for protection and criminals/drug dealers couldn't. I mean, cause if it's coming into my house and it ends up being like a showdown at the ok corral, i'm probably gonna be the one to lose.

I just know I could never have a gun. I'd probably shoot it and the recoil would be so bad, it'd fly out my hands like something out of bad police academy movie.

BleedBurgundy · 12-05-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

I have 3 friends getting guns cus of this.

A gun is an American's Right and Choice and I am not advizing either way. As a non-Active Duty Marine I have a weapon but take it VERY serious. It was made to KILL. Period. Guns are not very serious and I know we have folks on both sides of the fence.

If you use a gun in a crime you should get the MAX of the law. Death or Life...the MAX

Completely agree.

wilsowilso · 12-04-2007, 10:52 PM

Hey I'm not advocating no guns. We just need like you said harsher laws and stronger controls on certain types of guns IMO.

Staylor2121 · 12-04-2007, 10:58 PM

What I dont get is if they thought he wasnt home. Why would they go straight to his bedroom? Was they planing on attacking Jackie? Were they clearing the house and Sean scared them? Just doesnt make sense fucking scum balls should line up for a firing squad with Taylors family with guns. Eye for an Eye!!!!!!!!!!!!

12-04-2007, 09:16 PM	#1
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor I sure hope they charge this piece of trash as an adult. I’ll be pretty pissed off if he get’s out in a few years because he was 17 when he shot Sean. ESPN - Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor - NFL __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

12-04-2007, 09:22 PM	#2
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor Any judge who tries a 17 year old cold-blooded murdering thug as a juvenile should be removed from the bench. I noticed that Rivera was on the shorter side. Tough guy when he has a gun - We'll see how tough he is when mixed with more hardened criminals.

12-04-2007, 09:31 PM	#5
Bozzy The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 44 Posts: 1,034	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor It's such BS that they didn't expect Sean to be home.. They took a LOADED gun into a residence. You don't do that if you don't plan to use it. I hope they throw the book at these punks. Literally and figuratively. I hope it's a nice big fat book too.

12-04-2007, 09:49 PM	#6
Lady Brave The Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trinity, NC Age: 53 Posts: 1,444	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor Per Florida's statutes, the state's attorney can file a "discretionary waiver" which is a motion requesting the court to transfer the child for criminal prosecution if the child was 14 years of age or older at the time the alleged delinquent act or violation of law was committed. He's going to be tried as an adult. All I can say is Florida isn't wasting any time. The case is already transferred from juvenile court and an indictment issued in a week? That's really fast.

12-04-2007, 09:57 PM	#7
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor the sooner they're in the ground the better

12-04-2007, 10:35 PM	#8
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor Look if any of you are looking for the death penalty for any of these guys you can forget it. The shooter is 17 and the Supreme Court just ruled that it's Unconstitutional to exucute anyone under 18. The rest of these idiots are not even eligible for the death penalty under Florida law. My big concern is this. Some of these guys will make it back into society one day and believe you me chances are they will be ten times as worthless and 100 times a bigger threat to the general public. There is no justice in that. This nightmare has no end in sight. Or maybe we can start to change things. We gotta get rid of many of the types of the guns in our society that are most frequently used in violent crimes. Period.

12-04-2007, 10:46 PM	#11
Sammy Baugh Fan Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northern Virginia, Woodbridge Age: 62 Posts: 2,507	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor I have 3 friends getting guns cus of this. A gun is an American's Right and Choice and I am not advizing either way. As a non-Active Duty Marine I have a weapon but take it VERY serious. It was made to KILL. Period. Guns are not very serious and I know we have folks on both sides of the fence. If you use a gun in a crime you should get the MAX of the law. Death or Life...the MAX __________________ Check out Mike Hedrick - The Next Food Network Star. Please Click and give me a Thumbs Up and Positive Comment. Thanks

12-04-2007, 10:52 PM	#14
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor Hey I'm not advocating no guns. We just need like you said harsher laws and stronger controls on certain types of guns IMO.

12-04-2007, 10:58 PM	#15
Staylor2121 Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 2	Re: Grand jury identifies Rivera as gunman in death of Taylor What I dont get is if they thought he wasnt home. Why would they go straight to his bedroom? Was they planing on attacking Jackie? Were they clearing the house and Sean scared them? Just doesnt make sense fucking scum balls should line up for a firing squad with Taylors family with guns. Eye for an Eye!!!!!!!!!!!!

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