Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

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An article by CBS sportsline that talks about their oppinions on Joe Gibbs.

National Football League - CBSSports.com

They bring up some valid points.

[SFREDSKIN]

Those guy are IDIOTS!! He should do neither, we need him to come back and finish the job. If next year is like this, then he can retire.

[Schneed10]

With coaching, the question for me always comes down to this: is there someone available who can do the job better?

I'm up in the air on that. In order to do better next season, I think a degree of continuity is required amongst the coaching staff. If GW takes over as head coach, and Saunders stays as OC, then I'd probably be alright with it. But if we're talking about bringing in a Bill Cowher, or someone else who will likely totally revamp the staff and the offensive and defensive systems, then that's foolish.

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

That said, I think he's still probably one of the better coaches in the league, even though he's clearly not what he was. So getting rid of him is not the answer for me, unless the organization REALLY thinks GW could do a better job. Hiring someone else would be the worst case scenario for me.

[GMScud]

Both Prisco (overall MORON) and Judge are basing their argument almost entirely on overall record. And that's not totally wrong. Bottom line, as far as W's and L's are concerned Gibbs hasn't gotten it done this time around.

At least Judge can bring up how hard he's worked. At least Judge can reinforce his overall record argument by referencing HOW we've lost and keep losing these agonizing, close games. That said, I'm not sure where he's going by calling us "unfixable." We lose shitty, but I think we're on our way to being fixed.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That said, I'm not sure where he's going by calling us "unfixable."

Either Prisco is a total idiot for saying we are "unfixable," or he is inarticulate because he doesn't really mean what he writes.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Either Prisco is a total idiot for saying we are "unfixable," or he is inarticulate because he doesn't really mean what he writes.

It was actually Clark Judge who called us "unfixable." Which is kind of surprising because he makes a pretty decent argument right up until that point. It's something I would expect to hear from Prisco.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

Re the bolded part, Joe Gibbs has shown that he can't even do what Joe Gibbs has done in the past.

You keep harping on the great accomplishments of Joe Gibbs, but with four seasons in the books, proof's in the pudding at this point.

Now I'm not saying can him now, but I'm only saying that because I don't see candidates out there that would be a better fit or would do a better job. By default, that means I still hold him in decent regard to other coaches available.

But you're giving him carte blanche because he won Super Bowls in the 80s and 90s. I love him for those wins, but he has proven to be mediocre in the last four years. While I love looking back on the past, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of seeing the team mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

In the end, I'm on the same page as you, but for different reasons. Keep him next year for continuity's sake. But I'm not super thrilled with him as our head coach right now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

I love Gibbs. The biggest reason (next to my brother) that I became and remain a Redskins fan. However, apart from the murder of Taylor, who are we to say other coaches don't deal with adversity in their personal lives beyond injuries on the field? Take Tony Dungy losing his son to a suicide for example, or Andy Reid's issues with his kids.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I love Gibbs. The biggest reason (next to my brother) that I became and remain a Redskins fan. However, apart from the murder of Taylor, who are we to say other coaches don't deal with adversity in their personal lives beyond injuries on the field? Take Tony Dungy losing his son to a suicide for example, or Andy Reid's issues with his kids.

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

In fact, I'll go one step further, if little Taylor's health is expected to be a continuing problem, and Joe Gibbs is having trouble dealing with the adversity, then that's MORE reason to get rid of him, not less reason.

That said, I don't think Gibbs is having trouble dealing with adversity at all. I think he's great at that part. He's great at focusing, and he's FANTASTIC at bringing men together through a tragedy like the Taylor situation. But he has not been good at establishing a running game that can run out the clock in the second half like he prefers to, and he has not been good at adjusting his strategy in the second half to make up for the fact that his run game isn't great. He also has not been good with clock/game management. In the end, those are the things contributing to our 5-7 record, not his grandson. He's trying his damndest, and he's focusing all he can. In the end, it's not getting done.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

We were better off with Bill Musgrave

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

Well the issue with is grandson is a sad one but he is paid to win football games and if he has personal issues getting in the way then he sould retire. Using ST as an excuse is very poor because we have only played one game sense his death and what did Gibb's do? You also say give him a chance and only post these post if he fails. Right now what is his record? Do you call that not failing? I have backed Gibbs from day one and only until the past couple of weeks have I started to think that maybe its time for him to retire. If he stayes another year I'm not going to throw a fit but the thought of him retiring has crossed my mind.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

....I'm up in the air on that. In order to do better next season, I think a degree of continuity is required amongst the coaching staff. If GW takes over as head coach, and Saunders stays as OC, then I'd probably be alright with it.......

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

Obviously the Head Coach takes the heat when a team is losing, especially the way we have since 2005 (excluding the 6 game run at the end of 2005). But I think a majority of the blame is on the coordinators. IMO since Gibbs returned he has been more of a "manager" similar to what he was doing in NASCAR. I think he has "empowered" his coordinators (not sure what level with Saunders) and they have made bad decisions and not produced. Gibbs is not going to throw these guys under the bus even if it means he retires because of their poor performance. Regarding the 10-man tribute, GW should have made sure Gibbs knew what was happening, if he didn't, it is disrespectful and shows what type of ego GW has. I don't think many of us would make a major decision that would effect our companies, in the public eye, without our management knowing what we were planning to do, if we did we wouldn't be employed very long. I also know for a fact that coordinators at the high school or college level wouldn't make this type of move without the Head Coach knowing about it.

I've said this before, if Gibbs steps away he should move into the front office and get rid of GW. Bring in a new HC (defensive minded) and give Saunders a year with complete control of the offense as OC. If Saunders doesn't like it then get a new OC also. Continuity is important if you see the organization moving in a postive direction with the right building blocks in place. With Gibbs off the sidelines and GW / Saunders running the show, IMO that would be a step backwards.

[DynamiteRave]

He'll probably hang it up after his contract expires (I'm not gonna act like I know when that is cause I don't, so someone please inform me of when it does). I'm not a backer of Gibbs 2.0 but there's no denying that Gibbs knows his stuff. Synder grew up a Skins fan so there's no chance in hell of him kicking Gibbs to the curb. Gibbs is going to hang it up when he knows he has nothing left to give as a coach or when he feels he's done an adequate job. So there's no point in what if's.

Gibbs is here to stay.