Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-18-2008, 03:33 PM

I have been watching alot of film and reading up on Gholston who declared for the draft after his junior season. He is 6'4" 265lbs which is a little small for the strong side DE but he has shown that he is a decent run stopper and a phenomonial pass rusher (Just ask Jake Long) With his 4.6 speed coming off the edge and he reminds me alot of Osi Umenyouira. But I wonder what you guys think of him thoughts? I think he would be an excellent fit here and would start from day one.

What do you guys think?

Bill B · 01-18-2008, 03:50 PM

I would take Calais Campbell out of Miami over this guy - Campbell is slightly slower with a 4.8 40, but his frame is bigger - 6'7" and 280 pounds plus, so I think Campbell can be an every down DE for us and take the punishment better than Golston. Campbell in 3 seasons had almost 40 tackles for a loss and a ton of sacks - pretty impressive if you ask me and Miami was not as good as Ohio State, so I bet that Campbell saw a lot more double teams than Gholston.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-18-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

I would take Calais Campbell out of Miami over this guy - Campbell is slightly slower with a 4.8 40, but his frame is bigger - 6'7" and 280 pounds plus, so I think Campbell can be an every down DE for us and take the punishment better than Golston. Campbell in 3 seasons had almost 40 tackles for a loss and a ton of sacks - pretty impressive if you ask me and Miami was not as good as Ohio State, so I bet that Campbell saw a lot more double teams than Gholston.

yeah but Jake Long the top offensive lineman in the draft has been dominated by Vernon Gholston they are both good but the Umenyoria comparisons are hard to pass up.

Bill B · 01-18-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

yeah but Jake Long the top offensive lineman in the draft has been dominated by Vernon Gholston they are both good but the Umenyoria comparisons are hard to pass up.

Earthquake - either player would be great - I just think DE must be the first round pick this year because Philip Daniels is pretty much uneffective when it comes to rushing the passer and I think as Daniels gets older his ability to stop the run will also go down too. Daniels is 34 now and outside of Carter no DE on the Skins scares any opposing teams offense right now. It was so frustrating to see how much time opposing qb's had because Daniels could not rush the passer.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-18-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Earthquake - either player would be great - I just think DE must be the first round pick this year because Philip Daniels is pretty much uneffective when it comes to rushing the passer and I think as Daniels gets older his ability to stop the run will also go down too. Daniels is 34 now and outside of Carter no DE on the Skins scares any opposing teams offense right now. It was so frustrating to see how much time opposing qb's had because Daniels could not rush the passer.

True. Defensive end should be the first pick in the draft for us. Maybe 2nd pick too

Bill B · 01-18-2008, 04:20 PM

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True. Defensive end should be the first pick in the draft for us. Maybe 2nd pick too

What will suck though is if both of these players are gone by pick# 21. Hopefully the Redskins braintrust will have a good plan of action come draft day and will still have most of their picks too.

MTRedskinsFan · 01-19-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Earthquake - either player would be great - I just think DE must be the first round pick this year because Philip Daniels is pretty much uneffective when it comes to rushing the passer and I think as Daniels gets older his ability to stop the run will also go down too. Daniels is 34 now and outside of Carter no DE on the Skins scares any opposing teams offense right now. It was so frustrating to see how much time opposing qb's had because Daniels could not rush the passer.

I like your thinking Bill. What I can't wrap my little ole mind around is the concept that a corner would be our first rounder. It only makes sense if there is an absolute shutdown mofo out there who somehow falls to us (I don't think King fits the description). I say this because Springs has proven reliable since he changed his training/conditioning; Smoot is a gutsy sob and Rogers should be back sometime next season. Also, Torrence looked better throughout the season - kid's got wheels like few guys in the game so why can't GW and Grey just coach him up a bit? So yeah, I like DE or o-line for the first pick (depending on the very best player available to us between those two positions). If JJ is gone than we damn well better invest in some talent at tackle, and we need talent at guard in case RT or Kendell go down, and we need a DE, and we need to big threat at WR, and... wait a minute. Do we have enough picks?

jbcjr14 · 01-18-2008, 05:52 PM

I don't put alot of stock in it...but some of the early draft boards have us picking Limas Sweed (WR, Texas) in the 21st slot. I am not sure we pick WR in the first round with the dire need of DE and OL.

I would take either Gholston or Campbell!!!!

Texanskin · 01-18-2008, 06:10 PM

If we draft a receiver with the 1st pick, that would be a terrible start to the 08 season.
DE is a must!!!

Coff · 01-18-2008, 06:52 PM

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If we draft a receiver with the 1st pick, that would be a terrible start to the 08 season.
DE is a must!!!

What, you don't trust Cerrato to pick another receiver? How can you doubt him, after seeing how Rod Garnder and Taylor Jacobs turned out!

Skinsfanmania · 02-16-2008, 12:11 PM

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What, you don't trust Cerrato to pick another receiver? How can you doubt him, after seeing how Rod Garnder and Taylor Jacobs turned out!

Cerrato wasn't even here when we drafted Rod Gardner, as that was Marty's year with the skins. Taylor Jacobs had Spurriers finger prints all over it as he was a Gator.

Cerrato hasn't taken a receiver early in the draft, however I'd like to see a DL taken early in the draft and would love Gholston or Campbell, however an impact DT would be nice as well.

Then again, maybe we could get Albert Haynsworth in FA and draft a DE.

SCRedskinsFan · 02-16-2008, 12:23 PM

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What, you don't trust Cerrato to pick another receiver? How can you doubt him, after seeing how Rod Garnder and Taylor Jacobs turned out!

If I remember correctly, Gardner was Schottenheimer's choice and Jacobs was selected by Spurrier... Let's give credit where credit is due.

WillH · 01-18-2008, 06:48 PM

Position: DE
School & Year/Status: Ohio State - Junior
Height & Weight: 6'4 - 264 lbs.

2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Vernon Gholston is quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with. Gholston started all 12 regular season games at DE for the Ohio State for the second straight year. The fourth year junior finished with 15.5 tackles for loss this season, 14 of them sacks. The 6'4", 264 lbs. Buckeye is practically a fixture in opposing backfields the last two seasons. In November, he could be seen abusing the vaunted Michigan O-Line for 3 sacks and was the only man to beat Jake Long for a sack this season. Gholston has tallied 86 tackles, 30.5 tackles for loss, 22.5 sacks, and even intercepted a pass since being inserted into the starting lineup in 2006. Gholston plays what Ohio State calls the "Leo" end, a position that has to both pass rush and be able to drop into coverage when the Buckeyes are playing zone. He possesses excellent speed for a player his size and shows good instincts, playing the run and the pass. According to Ohio State's athletic website, Gholston benches 455 lbs., making him one of the strongest players on the team. Gholston shows tremendous promise. He displays good pass rushing moves and rarely will you find him out of position. After deciding to declare, Gholston should go somewhere

2008 NFL Draft: DE Prospect Analysis

Sounds good to me, but I doubt he falls to us and would rather we didn't trade up.

freddyg12 · 01-18-2008, 06:50 PM

he's a great athlete, but the knock on him is that he disappears some games.
I won't argue w/the idea of DE as 1st pick

WillH · 01-18-2008, 07:03 PM

Johnny Dingle (ha ha ha...I cant get over that name) might be worth a look if he falls to the mid to late rounds.

"Dingle finishes [this season] with 48 tackles (19 for loss) and nine sacks"

Edit: There is also Derrick Harvey who may be a good option for our first round pick.

2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Harvey surprised many when he decided not to enter the 2007 NFL draft. He led the Gators with 11 sacks -- the fifth-highest single-season total in school history -- and capped the season off with a three-sack effort in Florida's rout of Ohio State in the BCS national championship game. He also had another tackle and recovered a fumble against the Buckeyes to earn defensive MVP honors. He was projected as a first-round pick by some analysts.
Harvey, however, felt he needed another season to develop -- he didn't begin playing football until his junior year of high school -- and started an extensive offseason training program that paid dividends this past season. He overcame being the focus of opposing offensive lines to amass 49 tackles -- 31 solo -- with 17 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks, which were both team-best totals. He earned second-team All-Southeastern Conference honors.
Harvey is simply a beast as a pass rusher, with his speed equal to his strength. He is known for getting great jumps off the ball and his technique is exceptional. He puts the heat on offensive linemen and virtually demands to be double-teamed. While his ability to get in the backfield draws the most raves, he's also solid against the run. He projects as a lock first-round selection and will likely be a top-20 pick.

Derrick Harvey Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect

It sounds like the guy is willing to put in the work to be a good player.

01-18-2008, 03:33 PM	#1
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 35 Posts: 14,169	Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State I have been watching alot of film and reading up on Gholston who declared for the draft after his junior season. He is 6'4" 265lbs which is a little small for the strong side DE but he has shown that he is a decent run stopper and a phenomonial pass rusher (Just ask Jake Long) With his 4.6 speed coming off the edge and he reminds me alot of Osi Umenyouira. But I wonder what you guys think of him thoughts? I think he would be an excellent fit here and would start from day one. What do you guys think? __________________ https://open.spotify.com/artist/1NG9zNxqMP8cYNP72QqUQT Shameless self-promotion. It is what it is.

01-18-2008, 03:50 PM	#2
Bill B Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 721	Re: Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State I would take Calais Campbell out of Miami over this guy - Campbell is slightly slower with a 4.8 40, but his frame is bigger - 6'7" and 280 pounds plus, so I think Campbell can be an every down DE for us and take the punishment better than Golston. Campbell in 3 seasons had almost 40 tackles for a loss and a ton of sacks - pretty impressive if you ask me and Miami was not as good as Ohio State, so I bet that Campbell saw a lot more double teams than Gholston.

01-18-2008, 05:52 PM	#8
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Re: Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State I don't put alot of stock in it...but some of the early draft boards have us picking Limas Sweed (WR, Texas) in the 21st slot. I am not sure we pick WR in the first round with the dire need of DE and OL. I would take either Gholston or Campbell!!!! __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

01-18-2008, 06:10 PM	#9
Texanskin Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Skins fan in the Dallas area Posts: 187	Re: Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State If we draft a receiver with the 1st pick, that would be a terrible start to the 08 season. DE is a must!!! __________________ We are finally looking like a respectable opponent.....Lets keep it going!!!

01-18-2008, 06:48 PM	#13
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,592	Re: Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State Position: DE School & Year/Status: Ohio State - Junior Height & Weight: 6'4 - 264 lbs. 2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report Vernon Gholston is quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with. Gholston started all 12 regular season games at DE for the Ohio State for the second straight year. The fourth year junior finished with 15.5 tackles for loss this season, 14 of them sacks. The 6'4", 264 lbs. Buckeye is practically a fixture in opposing backfields the last two seasons. In November, he could be seen abusing the vaunted Michigan O-Line for 3 sacks and was the only man to beat Jake Long for a sack this season. Gholston has tallied 86 tackles, 30.5 tackles for loss, 22.5 sacks, and even intercepted a pass since being inserted into the starting lineup in 2006. Gholston plays what Ohio State calls the "Leo" end, a position that has to both pass rush and be able to drop into coverage when the Buckeyes are playing zone. He possesses excellent speed for a player his size and shows good instincts, playing the run and the pass. According to Ohio State's athletic website, Gholston benches 455 lbs., making him one of the strongest players on the team. Gholston shows tremendous promise. He displays good pass rushing moves and rarely will you find him out of position. After deciding to declare, Gholston should go somewhere 2008 NFL Draft: DE Prospect Analysis Sounds good to me, but I doubt he falls to us and would rather we didn't trade up.

01-18-2008, 06:50 PM	#14
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State he's a great athlete, but the knock on him is that he disappears some games. I won't argue w/the idea of DE as 1st pick

01-18-2008, 07:03 PM	#15
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,592	Re: Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State Johnny Dingle (ha ha ha...I cant get over that name) might be worth a look if he falls to the mid to late rounds. "Dingle finishes [this season] with 48 tackles (19 for loss) and nine sacks" Edit: There is also Derrick Harvey who may be a good option for our first round pick. 2008 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report Harvey surprised many when he decided not to enter the 2007 NFL draft. He led the Gators with 11 sacks -- the fifth-highest single-season total in school history -- and capped the season off with a three-sack effort in Florida's rout of Ohio State in the BCS national championship game. He also had another tackle and recovered a fumble against the Buckeyes to earn defensive MVP honors. He was projected as a first-round pick by some analysts. Harvey, however, felt he needed another season to develop -- he didn't begin playing football until his junior year of high school -- and started an extensive offseason training program that paid dividends this past season. He overcame being the focus of opposing offensive lines to amass 49 tackles -- 31 solo -- with 17 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks, which were both team-best totals. He earned second-team All-Southeastern Conference honors. Harvey is simply a beast as a pass rusher, with his speed equal to his strength. He is known for getting great jumps off the ball and his technique is exceptional. He puts the heat on offensive linemen and virtually demands to be double-teamed. While his ability to get in the backfield draws the most raves, he's also solid against the run. He projects as a lock first-round selection and will likely be a top-20 pick. Derrick Harvey Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect It sounds like the guy is willing to put in the work to be a good player.

Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State

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