Jeremy Shockey is a Saint

[J. Spanky]

Jay Glazer reports

in less than 24 hours, one of the best DE's has joined our team and one of the best TE's has left our division. pretty good day.

[chrisl4064]

I thought this would happen a long time ago. Good to see him out of our division.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by J. Spanky

Jay Glazer reports

in less than 24 hours, one of the best DE's has joined our team and one of the best TE's has left our division. pretty good day.

This is good for both teams. NO gave up a 2nd rounder which is very fair and the NYG really didn't need him cause of he emergence of the late round draft pick in Boss. NO is going to have a pretty explosive offense this year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is good for both teams. NO gave up a 2nd rounder which is very fair and the NYG really didn't need him cause of he emergence of the late round draft pick in Boss. NO is going to have a pretty explosive offense this year.

How do you call this trade good for both teams, but the Taylor trade awful for the Redskins?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you call this trade good for both teams, but the Taylor trade awful for the Redskins?

uh oh, someone called the consistency police.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you call this trade good for both teams, but the Taylor trade awful for the Redskins?

Because Shockey is probably going to play at a high level for several more years. He's got a Pro Bowl QB throwing to him and his former O-coordinator who is knows him and knows his game. With the emegence of Boss, NY didn't really need him. Plus NY has Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Moss' little brother and they just drafted Mario M. They are pretty solid on offense.

Taylor could potentially play one more year and then go off and and try and make movies...or try and be Mr. Twinkle Toes again. I would bet that if we win 5-7 games he could walk. If that happens then we're right back to square one minus the draft pick, which could be a high 2nd rounder.

I'm going to say this one more time. Sometimes guys get hurt and you don't know what you have in the back-up until he gets in the game and shows what he can do. The Giants saw what Boss can do, he's had a great off season so they let Shockey go. But not before they got some value in return.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Because Shockey is probably going to play at a high level for several more years. He's got a Pro Bowl QB throwing to him and his former O-coordinator who is knows him and knows his game. With the emegence of Boss, NY didn't really need him. Plus NY has Toomer, Plax, Steve Smith, Moss' little brother and they just drafted Mario M. They are pretty solid on offense.

Taylor could potentially play one more year and then go off and and try and make movies...or try and be Mr. Twinkle Toes again. I would bet that if we win 5-7 games he could walk. If that happens then we're right back to square one minus the draft pick, which could be a high 2nd rounder.

I'm going to say this one more time. Sometimes guys get hurt and you don't know what you have in the back-up until he gets in the game and shows what he can do. The Giants saw what Boss can do, he's had a great off season so they let Shockey go. But not before they got some value in return.

???Several more years(???) .....hell I'd be happy with one,at 27 he has'not finished a full season yet! I told all of you this would happen,he's nothing but a jerk ...yes he is most likely one of the top 3 TE's in the league but his route running sucks and he's a freaking head case.Look what he's mad about...the Giants would'nt let him on the sidelines during the super bowl.....No one injured on either team was aloud on the side lines ...he didn't go to the ring cerimony ,or to meet the Prez....good riddens and that should also save us 2 penilties a game.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

???Several more years(???) .....hell I'd be happy with one,at 27 he has'not finished a full season yet! I told all of you this would happen,he's nothing but a jerk ...yes he is most likely one of the top 3 TE's in the league but his route running sucks and he's a freaking head case.Look what he's mad about...the Giants would'nt let him on the sidelines during the super bowl.....No one injured on either team was aloud on the side lines ...he didn't go to the ring cerimony ,or to meet the Prez....good riddens and that should also save us 2 penilties a game.

Not letting him on the side lines was a team decision and if I played for a team and helped them get to the SB I would be ticked if they did that to me.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

???Several more years(???) .....hell I'd be happy with one,at 27 he has'not finished a full season yet! I told all of you this would happen,he's nothing but a jerk ...yes he is most likely one of the top 3 TE's in the league but his route running sucks and he's a freaking head case.Look what he's mad about...the Giants would'nt let him on the sidelines during the super bowl.....No one injured on either team was aloud on the side lines ...he didn't go to the ring cerimony ,or to meet the Prez....good riddens and that should also save us 2 penilties a game.

I know he's a headcase but I think Payton knows how to handle him. More importantly I think Payton knows how to use him. And so what if he didn't go to all that stuff. That wouldn't bother me.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is good for both teams. NO gave up a 2nd rounder which is very fair and the NYG really didn't need him cause of he emergence of the late round draft pick in Boss. NO is going to have a pretty explosive offense this year.

Wait wait wait wait wait.. So the Taylor trade is ass-awful because we gave up 2 draft picks (spread over 2 drafts) for a perennial pro bowler who is extremely durable and fits an immediate need BUT NO giving up a 2nd and a 5th in 2009 for an injury prone malcontent who was no better than the 3rd best TE in his division is 'very fair'?!?!? Just wow.

Ok, back in the real world.. I'd love to hear Giants fans convince me now that they are better than 3rd or 4th in the division. They lost 2 players that were top 10 at their position (Strahan & Shockey), 2 LB and a starting safety. Their star WR is upset at his contract and hardly practices anyways. Add in a Super Bowl hangover and they've got 6-10 written all over them..

[J. Spanky]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Ok, back in the real world.. I'd love to hear Giants fans convince me now that they are better than 3rd or 4th in the division. They lost 2 players that were top 10 at their position (Strahan & Shockey), 2 LB and a starting safety. Their star WR is upset at his contract and hardly practices anyways. Add in a Super Bowl hangover and they've got 6-10 written all over them..

PREACH!!!

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wait wait wait wait wait.. So the Taylor trade is ass-awful because we gave up 2 draft picks (spread over 2 drafts) for a perennial pro bowler who is extremely durable and fits an immediate need BUT NO giving up a 2nd and a 5th in 2009 for an injury prone malcontent who was no better than the 3rd best TE in his division is 'very fair'?!?!? Just wow.

Ok, back in the real world.. I'd love to hear Giants fans convince me now that they are better than 3rd or 4th in the division. They lost 2 players that were top 10 at their position (Strahan & Shockey), 2 LB and a starting safety. Their star WR is upset at his contract and hardly practices anyways. Add in a Super Bowl hangover and they've got 6-10 written all over them..

Can't agree w/that more, in fact I've been waiting for someone to come out & say that the g-men are entering a world of pain. I give them mad props for maximizing every single aspect of their team in winning the super bowl, but I also think the Pats O coordinator played into their hands by calling so many deep drops for brady.

Even if they returned all their players a repeat of that performance is just highly unlikely. Maybe Shockey had to go, but he is as much a playmaker as Plax IMO. Their wr corps is ok, but the youngs guys are still unproven. Their CBs are decent but they can't expect Sam Madison to hold up & play well over 16 games. If they have a winning record this year Coughlin will deserve even more credit.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wait wait wait wait wait.. So the Taylor trade is ass-awful because we gave up 2 draft picks (spread over 2 drafts) for a perennial pro bowler who is extremely durable and fits an immediate need BUT NO giving up a 2nd and a 5th in 2009 for an injury prone malcontent who was no better than the 3rd best TE in his division is 'very fair'?!?!? Just wow.

I certainly don't think the trade is ass-awful, but I'm not doing fist pumps either. In the short-term, the trade is going to pay huge dividends for our team. Having Carter and Taylor line up is going to make our secondary look even better. Additionally, Manning and Romo seems to struggle whenever we manage to bring a nice pass-rush. While Taylor is on the downside of his career, he's still playing at a high level and should bring us an extra win or so.

BUT, I'm not terribly enthusiastic about trading a 2nd round pick for a guy that probably will play 2 seasons in DC. I don't think we got screwed, but I'm a little nervous about giving up a high pick to add another older vet to a defense that already features Shawn Springs, London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, and Cornelius Griffin.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Ok, back in the real world.. I'd love to hear Giants fans convince me now that they are better than 3rd or 4th in the division. They lost 2 players that were top 10 at their position (Strahan & Shockey), 2 LB and a starting safety. Their star WR is upset at his contract and hardly practices anyways. Add in a Super Bowl hangover and they've got 6-10 written all over them..

It's not my job to convince you of anything.I'm pretty sure even an honest Skins fan can admit we still have a pretty good D line without Strahan ...who did platoon last year,as for Shockey we showed what we could do once he went down and that just wasn't a one game fluke,11 straight away games.Truth be told with the lack of respect people are giving the Giants ....I can see wild card all over again.This is what I like about the Shockey deal
1) No one even knows if he'll be healthy enough to play this year
2)He hasn't finished a whole season with the Giants yet
3)He a great TE.....but.selfish and not a team player
4)He's played 7 season and health wise maybe can only play a little more.
5) penalties will go down.........
6)losing him taught the team how to be a team.
7) ...and we could get a #1....LOL
.......here........

Off chance Giants could end up with Saints' first-rounder

Back in April the Giants were holding out for a first-round pick in return for Jeremy Shockey. And though it’s a longshot, they still could get one.

That’s because the second-round pick that the Saints sent to the Giants as part of the Shockey trade could end up going to the Jets as part of the Jonathan Vilma deal. And if that happens, the Saints would have to send the Giants their first-round pick in 2010 instead.

How could that happen?

Well, back in February, the Jets shipped Vilma to the Saints for a fourth-round pick in the 2008 draft and a conditional second- or third-rounder in 2009. According to the conditions of the trade, if Vilma plays in 85 percent of the defensive plays this season and signs a contract extension with the team, the ‘09 pick would be in the second round.

Since that’s the same second-rounder the Saints included in their deal with the Giants, when they agreed to ship a second- and a fifth-rounder in 2009 for Shockey, they obviously wouldn’t be able to complete that deal as is. So instead, they’d have to ship their 2010 first-round pick to the Giants.

Of course the odds of that happening are slim since the Saints control everything in that scenario. Not only could they hold back Vilma’s playing time if he approaches 85 percent, but they also could simply wait to sign him to a contract extension.

So don’t count on getting the first-rounder. But at least it’s a possibility.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Giantone

It's not my job to convince you of anything.I'm pretty sure even an honest Skins fan can admit we still have a pretty good D line without Strahan ...who did platoon last year,as for Shockey we showed what we could do once he went down and that just wasn't a one game fluke,11 straight away games.Truth be told with the lack of respect people are giving the Giants ....I can see wild card all over again.This is what I like about the Shockey deal
1) No one even knows if he'll be healthy enough to play this year
2)He hasn't finished a whole season with the Giants yet
3)He a great TE.....but.selfish and not a team player
4)He's played 7 season and health wise maybe can only play a little more.
5) penalties will go down.........
6)losing him taught the team how to be a team.

I agree you're going to have a solid DL rotation like always, but you're fooling yourself if you think Strahan's not going to be missed. He made key plays at key times, that's what cannot be replaced by a solid rotation. A lot of Giants fans are happy to be 'rid' of Shockey but again, you're fooling yourself to think that Boss is a replacement. Shockey killed the Cowboys, killed the Redskins and killed the Eagles.. He seemed to play his biggest games against the NFC East, time will tell but I think he'll be missed more than G-fans think!