College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age.

Daseal · 08-19-2008, 07:48 AM

College presidents seek debate on drinking age - Yahoo! News

Pretty interesting. Have to say I agree. You're either an adult at 18 or you aren't. There really aren't many lives saved by the 21 drinking age, the amount of deaths is just delayed by three years. Most people are either responsible when it comes to driving or stupid. Just how it is.

For those of you too lazy to read the article, they basically say that it encourages binge drinking. Interesting debate, I want to see what happens with this. It's not secret that I am a huge opponent to MADD. The idea I support fully, but there's a reason the founder left the organization and say that they've lost their direction.

mlmpetert · 08-19-2008, 10:13 AM

Deseal im 100% with you and your opposition with madd. Their direction has definitely changed from drunk driving prevention to neo probation. Not a fan of any special interest groups and madd is at the top of my most resented. The only rationalization ive ever been able to make of why we shouldn’t have the drinking age at 18 is that the brain and body is still developing – and drinking may hinder that. And I guess with trans fat cooking oil not allowed in some cities, prevalent smoking bans in non government owed establishments, and windfall taxes on excessive profits you can say restrictions on drinking falls in line with current thinking.

Heres a article I posted a long time ago on the neo-madd:

FOXNews.com - When Drunk Driving Deterrence Becomes Neo-Prohibition - Opinion

Miller101 · 08-19-2008, 10:56 AM

It would be awesome if they lowered the age back down again. Not letting an adult be an adult until 21 is stupid. I mean, I just don't get it. You're old enough to get drafted. Old enough to sign your life away and fight terrorist, but your not old enough to kick back a few cold ones in a bar.............makes no freakin sense!

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-19-2008, 12:03 PM

Maybe they should just raise the age which qualifies people as "adults". I suggest 40. LOL.

Seriously though, I'd support changing the legal age for adults to 21. It would never happen though.

mredskins · 08-19-2008, 12:19 PM

Great thread. The drinking age is dumb being set at 21. My friend has a Germany Au Pair and she and her other Germany friends are probably the most mature drinkers I know. To them it is part of life not some taboo thing that they can't do until they turn 21. They are are in the 18 to 21 age range.

Plus I hate MADD also, to me .08 is the dumbest number for DUI. Basically I can have one beer when I go out, other wise I run the potentially of having my entire life turned upside down if I get caught. Because some people decide to get wasted and go out and kill people, we all have to suffer. People that do that are going out regardless of the law they will keep doing it until they are in jail or dead.

BTW- If you live in NoVa and you go to bars and night clubs it is not if you going to get a DUI it is when. NoVa cops are nazis for DUI's. Basically when I lived there when I went out I had Diet Cokes. One time when I had one Miller Lite at Shadey Tree as soon as I started my car up the flashing lights came on. I passed everything but they were waiting.

When I was in college I want to start:

DFDD = Drunks For Drunk Driving

Never got any wings, go figure.

firstdown · 08-19-2008, 12:39 PM

I think that their real goal is to relieve them from having to inforce underage drinking rules which I'm sure takes up allot of time. It does not surprise me one bit but I just don't see how bindge drinking and at what age you can drink have anything in common.

mredskins · 08-19-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I think that their real goal is to relieve them from having to inforce underage drinking rules which I'm sure takes up allot of time. It does not surprise me one bit but I just don't see how bindge drinking and at what age you can drink have anything in common.

Funny you say that because the govt. got sick of inforcing it as well on their campus (San Diego Naval Base). Navy guys/gals on that base can drink at the age of 18.

firstdown · 08-19-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Funny you say that because the govt. got sick of inforcing it as well on their campus (San Diego Naval Base). Navy guys/gals on that base can drink at the age of 18.

Well the drinking age at one time varied from state to state not sure if 21 is now a federal law or just how the states changed the laws. I don't know if it matters because most 18 year olds know other kids who are 21 who buy them beer.

saden1 · 08-19-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I think that their real goal is to relieve them from having to inforce underage drinking rules which I'm sure takes up allot of time. It does not surprise me one bit but I just don't see how bindge drinking and at what age you can drink have anything in common.

Can you blame them? I mean how do you or can you effectively stop college kids from drinking?

firstdown · 08-19-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Can you blame them? I mean how do you or can you effectively stop college kids from drinking?

Maybe thats one of the problems now days that we say we cannot stop them from this or that and we just keep giving them more room to do what they want. If we lower the age that would then bring some kids in High School legal to drink and its also gives kids more people to buy them beer. It was 18 when I was growing up but back then we did not need metal detectors in school, guys came to school with shot guns hanging in the back of their trucks (was no big deal), we could have a knife in school, teachers could discipline a kid without fear of committing a crime, .... etc.... etc.... Times have changed and I'm not sure if it would make a difference either way.

mlmpetert · 08-19-2008, 01:38 PM

If states want federal funds for highways they have to enforce and make the legal drinking age 21.

firstdown · 08-19-2008, 02:02 PM

All this talk makes me want a beer.

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-19-2008, 04:27 PM

You're right firstdown, the only difference it would make is fewer under-age violations (and consequently, less revenue for states).

dmek25 · 08-19-2008, 08:32 PM

remember, some high school seniors are 18. i don't know about you guys, but i wasn't drinking.... well i cant lie anymore. but im sure that's part of the debate

MTK · 08-19-2008, 08:35 PM

21 is a joke anyway. How many of us were drinking by 18? Hell how about by 16?

08-19-2008, 07:48 AM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. College presidents seek debate on drinking age - Yahoo! News Pretty interesting. Have to say I agree. You're either an adult at 18 or you aren't. There really aren't many lives saved by the 21 drinking age, the amount of deaths is just delayed by three years. Most people are either responsible when it comes to driving or stupid. Just how it is. For those of you too lazy to read the article, they basically say that it encourages binge drinking. Interesting debate, I want to see what happens with this. It's not secret that I am a huge opponent to MADD. The idea I support fully, but there's a reason the founder left the organization and say that they've lost their direction. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-19-2008, 10:13 AM	#2
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. Deseal im 100% with you and your opposition with madd. Their direction has definitely changed from drunk driving prevention to neo probation. Not a fan of any special interest groups and madd is at the top of my most resented. The only rationalization ive ever been able to make of why we shouldn’t have the drinking age at 18 is that the brain and body is still developing – and drinking may hinder that. And I guess with trans fat cooking oil not allowed in some cities, prevalent smoking bans in non government owed establishments, and windfall taxes on excessive profits you can say restrictions on drinking falls in line with current thinking. Heres a article I posted a long time ago on the neo-madd: FOXNews.com - When Drunk Driving Deterrence Becomes Neo-Prohibition - Opinion

08-19-2008, 10:56 AM	#3
Miller101 Special Teams Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 362	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. It would be awesome if they lowered the age back down again. Not letting an adult be an adult until 21 is stupid. I mean, I just don't get it. You're old enough to get drafted. Old enough to sign your life away and fight terrorist, but your not old enough to kick back a few cold ones in a bar.............makes no freakin sense!

08-19-2008, 12:03 PM	#4
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 42 Posts: 2,762	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. Maybe they should just raise the age which qualifies people as "adults". I suggest 40. LOL. Seriously though, I'd support changing the legal age for adults to 21. It would never happen though. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

08-19-2008, 12:19 PM	#5
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,867	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. Great thread. The drinking age is dumb being set at 21. My friend has a Germany Au Pair and she and her other Germany friends are probably the most mature drinkers I know. To them it is part of life not some taboo thing that they can't do until they turn 21. They are are in the 18 to 21 age range. Plus I hate MADD also, to me .08 is the dumbest number for DUI. Basically I can have one beer when I go out, other wise I run the potentially of having my entire life turned upside down if I get caught. Because some people decide to get wasted and go out and kill people, we all have to suffer. People that do that are going out regardless of the law they will keep doing it until they are in jail or dead. BTW- If you live in NoVa and you go to bars and night clubs it is not if you going to get a DUI it is when. NoVa cops are nazis for DUI's. Basically when I lived there when I went out I had Diet Cokes. One time when I had one Miller Lite at Shadey Tree as soon as I started my car up the flashing lights came on. I passed everything but they were waiting. When I was in college I want to start: DFDD = Drunks For Drunk Driving Never got any wings, go figure.

08-19-2008, 12:39 PM	#6
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. I think that their real goal is to relieve them from having to inforce underage drinking rules which I'm sure takes up allot of time. It does not surprise me one bit but I just don't see how bindge drinking and at what age you can drink have anything in common.

08-19-2008, 01:38 PM	#11
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. If states want federal funds for highways they have to enforce and make the legal drinking age 21.

08-19-2008, 02:02 PM	#12
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. All this talk makes me want a beer.

08-19-2008, 04:27 PM	#13
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 42 Posts: 2,762	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. You're right firstdown, the only difference it would make is fewer under-age violations (and consequently, less revenue for states). __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

08-19-2008, 08:32 PM	#14
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. remember, some high school seniors are 18. i don't know about you guys, but i wasn't drinking.... well i cant lie anymore. but im sure that's part of the debate __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

08-19-2008, 08:35 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,568	Re: College Presidents asking for a lowered drinking age. 21 is a joke anyway. How many of us were drinking by 18? Hell how about by 16? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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