A 2009 Spring Dream....

[lifetimeskin]

It is obvious that we need pass rush and we need a younger OL. I have gone to one of those free agent rating sites, and have sorted the data to only show players that are highly rated and have less than 10 years of wear and tear. So how many of these top ranked players should we go after and how many can we afford???

Pos Name Yr Ht/Wt

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
DE Terrell*Suggs 6 6-3/260
DE Julius*Peppers 7 6-7/283
DT Jovan*Haye 4 6-2/295
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320
DT Rocky*Bernard 7 6-3/290
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318
OG Stacy*Andrews 5 6-7/342
OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
OLB Leroy*Hill 4 6-1/224
OLB Angelo*Crowell 6 6-1/246
OLB Bart*Scott 7 6-2/240
OT Jordan*Gross 6 6-5/300
OT Marvel*Smith 9 6-5/321
OT Mark*Tauscher 9 6-4/315

By the way, if we got Suggs and Gross, both still can play out a contract, it would be a huge upgrade....but it will come down to cash.

Lifetimeskin~

[davy]

The DL is fine, we don't need to do anything there.

[jredskins1972]

I think our DE are above average in the league, but what we are lacking is the push from the middle. Often our ends meet in the middle, only to find the QB has stepped up or broken the pocket. We need a Haynesworth or Shawn Roger type guy. I would prefer the draft option with a young talented DT. Defensive lineman are expensive and we need cap room to sign Hall. I agree pursue a free agent OL to immediately fill in a need position.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Heyer has really impressed me the past two games. I honestly dont think Tackle is as big of a need as i thought it was. We need another BACKUP tackle, but i'm fine with Heyer and Samuels as our starting tackles... i'd even consider starting heyer at LT and moving Samuels to RT. I'm also counting on Rinehart to be a good Guard for us. I think Thomas is only going downhill from here, and Rabach needs to be replaced. For our Oline, I would do the following upgrades THIS Offseason:

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318

We would have a starting lineup of:
Samuels-Evans-Brown-Rinehart-Heyer


For our defense, I would do the following:

OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Heyer has really impressed me the past two games. I honestly dont think Tackle is as big of a need as i thought it was. We need another BACKUP tackle, but i'm fine with Heyer and Samuels as our starting tackles... i'd even consider starting heyer at LT and moving Samuels to RT. I'm also counting on Rinehart to be a good Guard for us. I think Thomas is only going downhill from here, and Rabach needs to be replaced. For our Oline, I would do the following upgrades THIS Offseason:

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318

We would have a starting lineup of:
Samuels-Evans-Brown-Rinehart-Heyer


For our defense, I would do the following:

OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320

Heyer is a solid pass protector, but nowhere close to what you need in run blocking. Notice that our running game got shut out the last couple of games.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Heyer is a solid pass protector, but nowhere close to what you need in run blocking. Notice that our running game got shut out the last couple of games.

Well if Heyer can't get it done as a starter, then we need to move Samuels to RT now and sign the best FA LT on the market or get one in the draft. I really think Samuels is going to drop off in production real soon.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well if Heyer can't get it done as a starter, then we need to move Samuels to RT now and sign the best FA LT on the market or get one in the draft. I really think Samuels is going to drop off in production real soon.

[RMSkins]

Jordan Gross, Terrell Suggs, Jahri Evans, Leroy Hill, Angelo Crowell, Michael Boley, Jovan Haye, and Stacy Andrews are all worth looking at in FA.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Jordan Gross, Terrell Suggs, Jahri Evans, Leroy Hill, Angelo Crowell, Michael Boley, Jovan Haye, and Stacy Andrews are all worth looking at in FA.

Good group for sure, but Suggs will cost a fortune, along with Crowell. I say go via the draft and get say one FA for each line, maybe two. I am not privy on our cap situation, but any O linemen up for renewal should not be resigned.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Good group for sure, but Suggs will cost a fortune, along with Crowell. I say go via the draft and get say one FA for each line, maybe two. I am not privy on our cap situation, but any O linemen up for renewal should not be resigned.

You're right Suggs will cost a lot, but i'm not so sure that Crowell will be all that expensive since he missed this season with an injury.

[PurpEagle_AUTiger]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

Jordan Gross.

How did I miss this thread...

Great to see somebody else knows good o-lineman when they see em...

[The Goat]

We've got 4 draft picks (three in rounds 1-5, and probably can only count on our 1st rounder as a starter) and need about 6 "new" players (IMO): 3 o-line, OLB, playmaker DT, and possibly another corner. Have to think we take o-line in round 1. I also like taking a young DT in the draft, but that probably means we drop a current guy and very hard to decide who IMO. Griff is aging but a monster run stopper still. Tough call.

We're going to have to be active in FA to fill out the roster.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

It is obvious that we need pass rush and we need a younger OL. I have gone to one of those free agent rating sites, and have sorted the data to only show players that are highly rated and have less than 10 years of wear and tear. So how many of these top ranked players should we go after and how many can we afford???

Pos Name Yr Ht/Wt

C Jason*Brown 4 6-3/320
DE Terrell*Suggs 6 6-3/260
DE Julius*Peppers 7 6-7/283
DT Jovan*Haye 4 6-2/295
DT Albert*Haynesworth7 6-5/320
DT Rocky*Bernard 7 6-3/290
OG Jahri*Evans 3 6-4/318
OG Stacy*Andrews 5 6-7/342
OLB Michael*Boley 4 6-3/223
OLB Leroy*Hill 4 6-1/224
OLB Angelo*Crowell 6 6-1/246
OLB Bart*Scott 7 6-2/240
OT Jordan*Gross 6 6-5/300
OT Marvel*Smith 9 6-5/321
OT Mark*Tauscher 9 6-4/315

By the way, if we got Suggs and Gross, both still can play out a contract, it would be a huge upgrade....but it will come down to cash.

Lifetimeskin~

A lot of these guys will probably sign with their own teams. And the thing that I don't like about free agency is these guys are use to the systems that they play in. With Suggs, Scott and Haynesworth... they all play in totally different schemes than we run here. If they came here they might not be as effective. I'd prefer to be patient and build through the draft and add a piece here and there.

I remember when we signed Wilbur Marshall from Chi back in 88. He was miserable his first few years here cause he was not allowed to free lance and do his thing. I never forgot that and free agency should never be about going out and signing the most talented guy. It's about getting a guy ( like London Fletcher) that can come in and fit what we do on offense or defense.

Look what Carolina had done this year. They went out and upgraded their O-line, moved Peppers back to his original position, drafted a stud young runner, brought back Mushim Muhamed and got back a healthy Jack D. I know Jack D. is a big part of their resurgance but nothing they really did during the off season really stood out. I can see us following the same path as Carolina did. Move JT a little more to his origianal spot, get back a healthy Samuels, add a new RT, get better production from our young wr's and maybe draft a pass rusher then we can be a in a very good position to win 10-12 games.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I remember when we signed Wilbur Marshall from Chi back in 88. He was miserable his first few years here cause he was not allowed to free lance and do his thing.

I think you're remembering incorrectly, here's his stat line during his career in Washington:

1988: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 INTs
1989: 108 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
1990: 107 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT
1991: 135 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 5 INTs
1992: 138 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs

Wilber Marshall Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

And just going by what I remember, I don't recall him struggling at all. He was one of the best LBs we've had here.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you're remembering incorrectly, here's his stat line during his career in Washington:

1988: 133 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 INTs
1989: 108 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
1990: 107 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 INT
1991: 135 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 5 INTs
1992: 138 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs

Wilber Marshall Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

And just going by what I remember, I don't recall him struggling at all. He was one of the best LBs we've had here.

MY GOD -- has it been 20 years already that we picked him up??!! Man, that makes me feel old.