RI: What Moves Will Offseason Bring?

[MTK]

JLC says to expect another quiet season in free agency, perhaps Snyder and company really have learned a thing or two from their past mistakes?

What Moves Will Offseason Bring? - Redskins Insider

[SmootSmack]

One of the positives of the recession!

Seriously though, I think JLC is fairly accurate here. I think maybe one or two sort of big-name free agents, a couple of back-up types, and then just try to trade for maybe an additional two or three picks

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

One of the positives of the recession!

Seriously though, I think JLC is fairly accurate here. I think maybe one or two sort of big-name free agents, a couple of back-up types, and then just try to trade for maybe an additional two or three picks

Smoot...have you heard any rumors in your circles about the skins actually dangling Carlos in a trade? JLC keeps floating this but he seems to be the only one at this point.

It makes absolutely no sense to me...it would turn the strength of our defense into a possible weakness. Even if we sign Hall then who would start opposite him? Springs can't be counted on for 16 games even if he is on the team. Smoot is a #3 at best and Tryon is not even an NFL caliber player at this point. IMO they need to be trying to resign Carlos not trade him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

Smoot...have you heard any rumors in your circles about the skins actually dangling Carlos in a trade? JLC keeps floating this but he seems to be the only one at this point.

It makes absolutely no sense to me...it would turn the strength of our defense into a possible weakness. Even if we sign Hall then who would start opposite him? Springs can't be counted on for 16 games even if he is on the team. Smoot is a #3 at best and Tryon is not even an NFL caliber player at this point. IMO they need to be trying to resign Carlos not trade him.

A little bit, though not much. I mean I've heard that they're open to the idea and that he has value as trade bait that they don't really have with many other players. Players that they'd be willing to trade that is. I think that the other issue is that Rogers is apparently preparing to ask for huge, huge money and the team isn't ready to make such a commitment. I don't know what the numbers are but I think it's similar to a couple of years ago when I was telling you guys that Dockery was reportedly expected to ask for a $17 million signing bonus which we all thought was ridiculous and then...well you know the rest.

So yeah I think they're definitely discussing it and exploring the possibility but I don't know to what extent. I think the Moss discussions are actually a bit more serious.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by celts32

Smoot...have you heard any rumors in your circles about the skins actually dangling Carlos in a trade? JLC keeps floating this but he seems to be the only one at this point.

It makes absolutely no sense to me...it would turn the strength of our defense into a possible weakness. Even if we sign Hall then who would start opposite him? Springs can't be counted on for 16 games even if he is on the team. Smoot is a #3 at best and Tryon is not even an NFL caliber player at this point. IMO they need to be trying to resign Carlos not trade him.

I agree completley here...I thought Rogers was phenominal for us last year...and Hall has not been resigned...I still would be against this...although a secnod rounder would be nice.

[Bill B]

As far as the Skins worrying about Carlos asking for an insane contract as being a reason to trade him now - wouldn't the Skins be better off using either the franchise or transitional tag on him instead?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I agree completley here...I thought Rogers was phenominal for us last year...and Hall has not been resigned...I still would be against this...although a secnod rounder would be nice.

A 2nd rounder is not value at all for Rogers. We spent like the 9th pick on him and he played really well this year and is still young. This is the kind of player you build around not trade for a 2nd rounder.

I am all for trading Moss if he can bring anything good in return...he is starting to get older and we need to start making changes to that offensive core.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

A 2nd rounder is not value at all for Rogers. We spent like the 9th pick on him and he played really well this year and is still young. This is the kind of player you build around not trade for a 2nd rounder.

I am all for trading Moss if he can bring anything good in return...he is starting to get older and we need to start making changes to that offensive core.

I agree... anything less than a top 20 first round pick for Rogers and we are screwing ourselves over. Even if Rogers is disgruntled, he has no choice but to play for us. Lance Briggs was disgruntled, but he's not anymore and he's still with the bears now. Lito Shepard was disgruntled, but he's still with the eagles. The Redskins hold all the cards with Carlos for 2 more years if the CBA expires and 2-3more years if it doesnt and they want to franchise him 1-2years. Thats plenty of time to work things out and patch up any difference between them. We should NOT, under any circumstances, let him dicate things to us. He signed a contract and thats all there is to it.

As far as Moss goes, we should be able to get a 2nd for him and I wouldnt take anything less.

[Skins4L]

Absolutely..
We need to make sure D Hall gets re-signed.

ALSO..WE CANT TRADE SANTANA MOSS or CARLOS ROGERS.

Santana Moss might be getting older.. but his skills or speed havent diminished. I wouldnt trade Moss for ANY DRAFT PICK.

And i dont know if its the year to completely fall out of Free Agency. We could use somebody out there, i mean.. not all of our Free Agent pickups were a bust.

[MTK]

I still wouldn't rule out chasing at least one big name, we'll see though. If they really are intent on focusing on the draft it would certainly be a pleasant surprise. JLC is right, if you swing and miss in the draft it's far less costly vs. doing that in free agency.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I still wouldn't rule out chasing at least one big name, we'll see though. If they really are intent on focusing on the draft it would certainly be a pleasant surprise. JLC is right, if you swing and miss in the draft it's far less costly vs. doing that in free agency.

My take is cut Jason Taylor, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Griffin and create some big time room under the cap to sign 2-3 free agents - specifically I would add at least one lineman on both the defense and offense. Than in the draft if you can trade down and acquire an extra pick use them on drafting another lineman and a linebacker as well. Resign D. Hall, keep Carlos Rogers and Smoot for next year and how Phillip Daniels can provide more than Jason Taylor did last year for one more season. In addition even if the Skins experience another bizarre traninig camp where they lost Daniels and Buzbee on the first day - don't trade any more future picks - lets start keeping our full arsenal so we can finally start addressing depth for the future.

[KI Skins Fan]

Per JLC: "I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players."

Many of us thought that Snyder and Cerrato had learned their lesson on that topic before the JT trade but, alas, they hadn't.

My point is that we may think we know what the Skins key needs are but we really don't have a handle on what they might do to address them, if anything.

I hope they approach the off-season in the reasonable manner that JLC suggests but he is no insider and I doubt that he knows any more about their true plans than I do.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Per JLC: "I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players."

Many of us thought that Snyder and Cerrato had learned their lesson on that topic before the JT trade but, alas, they hadn't.

My point is that we may think we know what the Skins key needs are but we really don't have a handle on what they might do to address them, if anything.

I hope they approach the off-season in the reasonable manner that JLC suggests but he is no insider and I doubt that he knows any more about their true plans than I do.

I would pretty much bet he's got more inside connections than your typical fan.

[Defensewins]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the Redskins currently over the cap? We couldn't go after a big name even of we wanted to unless we cut someone or convince a player to renegotiate his deal.
Plus they seemed determined not to release Jason Taylor because that would admit they were wrong for giving up a high pick in the draft for Jason Taylor. So it does not seem we will not be getting that $8.5M in cap relief. We will have to count on other ways to lower our bloated cap number.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

When can the team begin cutting/trading players? And even if they could make moves now, do you think they would wait until close to the draft anyways?