Ryan Moats and the DPD

[Dirtbag59]

I always wondered what would happen if I had to rush to get the hospital without a police escort. Anyway Moats thinks the cop might have had a hint of racial pretense. I honestly disagree, instead I propose that the guy just seems like an overall jerk but thats just my opinion. Anyway ESPN has the whole thing on tape.

Police Chief On Incident Involving Moats - ESPN Video - ESPN

So what do you guys think?

[gibbsisgod]

I cant watch the video here at work but I read a story about it on Foxsports. The police cheif even admits the officer was at fault here. But as to the racial pretense part....... I dont really think thats the case here.

[tdSKINS1]

Yea I saw this and read what happened. What an asshole I couldn't believe it when I read it. Damn cops that think they have so much power so ridiculous

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Yea I saw this and read what happened. What an asshole I couldn't believe it when I read it. Damn cops that think they have so much power so ridiculous

Please keep in mind not all cops are like this. When your the last line of defense for the public/community the cop has to get control of any given situation in order to keep others as well as himself safe. Sometimes looking like an asshole. I doubt people actually know how many time an officer hears on a traffic stop " my family member is in on their way to the hospital," " a family member is having a baby," " a family member is on their death bed" on traffic stops simply to get out of a ticket. I've heard co-workers say they use lines like that in hopes the officer will believe they need to move on in a hurry and let them go with a warning.

Now the B.S. part of this story is the officer could have parked his car, notified his dispatcher that he was out with someone going into the hosptial and actually checked this story out and given a warning if proven true. Something the cop failed to do. Two other factors; How young was the officer and how long has he been on the force.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Please keep in mind not all cops are like this. When your the last line of defense for the public/community the cop has to get control of any given situation in order to keep others as well as himself safe. Sometimes looking like an asshole. I doubt people actually know how many time an officer hears on a traffic stop " my family member is in on their way to the hospital," " a family member is having a baby," " a family member is on their death bed" on traffic stops simply to get out of a ticket. I've heard co-workers say they use lines like that in hopes the officer will believe they need to move on in a hurry and let them go with a warning.

Now the B.S. part of this story is the officer could have parked his car, notified his dispatcher that he was out with someone going into the hosptial and actually checked this story out and given a warning if proven true. Something the cop failed to do. Two other factors; How young was the officer and how long has he been on the force.

He'd been on the force 25 years. It's in the article.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

He'd been on the force 25 years. It's in the article.

Again I only saw the NFL footage. I'm not trying to defend him. I agree he messed up and should have handled it another way.

Just asking people to not be judgmental of everyone.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

He'd been on the force 25 years. It's in the article.

He's actually only been on the force for 3 years and is 25 years old.

He should definitely be suspended for an extended period of time to undergo further training as it's evident he didn't know how to properly handle the situation. It would have taken him only minute at most to have found out from someone if their story has legit especially since he pulled them over in the hospital parking lot.

As far as the gun issue as SBVII has said, officers are trained to watch out for their safety and someone getting out of a pulled over car without being asked for by the officer more often than not results in someone about to attempt to do harm to that officer as evident by the amazing increase in recent years in officer shootings during pull overs for random traffic violations.
He only unholstered his weapon, but never actually pointed it at anyone.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Please keep in mind not all cops are like this. When your the last line of defense for the public/community the cop has to get control of any given situation in order to keep others as well as himself safe. Sometimes looking like an asshole. I doubt people actually know how many time an officer hears on a traffic stop " my family member is in on their way to the hospital," " a family member is having a baby," " a family member is on their death bed" on traffic stops simply to get out of a ticket. I've heard co-workers say they use lines like that in hopes the officer will believe they need to move on in a hurry and let them go with a warning.

Now the B.S. part of this story is the officer could have parked his car, notified his dispatcher that he was out with someone going into the hosptial and actually checked this story out and given a warning if proven true. Something the cop failed to do. Two other factors; How young was the officer and how long has he been on the force.

That's all well and good, but by the time he actually got to the car they were already in the hospital parking lot and Moats' wife was crying and running to the door.

I understand the cop probably felt like he was just doing his job, and that he probably became aggrevated because Moats was fairly emotional himself, but common sense should have taken over sooner. There was no reason for the cop to hold him for 15 minutes, or to threaten to arrest him and have his car towed when it was obvious that the man just needed to get into the hospital ASAP.

And I thought the cop was only 25. Towards the end of the video he says "I've had one chase in 3 years," or something like that.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

That's all well and good, but by the time he actually got to the car they were already in the hospital parking lot and Moats' wife was crying and running to the door.

I understand the cop probably felt like he was just doing his job, and that he probably became aggrevated because Moats was fairly emotional himself, but common sense should have taken over sooner. There was no reason for the cop to hold him for 15 minutes, or to threaten to arrest him and have his car towed when it was obvious that the man just needed to get into the hospital ASAP.

And I thought the cop was only 25. Towards the end of the video he says "I've had one chase in 3 years," or something like that.

As I stated before he could have handled it differently I'm sure. When you were young, how many times were you faced with a situation, handled it, and reflected back and wished you handled it differently or felt you could have done something differently to get a better outcome? It's all about experience. Personal experiences in life make people learn. If he has not had an experience like that before he might not know any better. Please don't think cops have the answer to everything, it's just they are expected to have the answer to everything. They have to come up with the best answer they can find for the moment. That officer failed on that day. It doesn't mean he isn't a good officer. Police are human too and to human is error. It happens. unfortunatly in the cop world I'm sure to error is a compounded problem.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Yea I saw this and read what happened. What an asshole I couldn't believe it when I read it. Damn cops that think they have so much power so ridiculous

I agreed that the officer handled it wrong. Totally. What I was afraid was going to happen was people popping off about all officers with negative comments. Sorry tdSkins for quoting you. I was trying not to point fingers but wanted people to know that there are certain reasons some officers come off as assholes. but also wanted to point out that not all officers have power trips, or are assholes. No different then people on message boards. To lump all officers in one catagory would be unfair was all I was trying to establish prior to this message board turning in to the..."All cops are trash" thread.

Not everyone is the brightest crayon in the box. In the several places I've worked I've found atleast one if not more people who are slow on the uptake and have no common sense. Those people usually have to be told several times exactly what is happening or how to do something and even then they might screw it up. If we lived in a perfect world we wouldn't need the police.

and although Moat may not have been wreckless driving, by law he was. Speeding depending on the speed is wreckless driving. Although he slowed down or even stopped and went through the traffic light could be construed as wreckless driving. but in any case the incident could have been handled a lot differently. The sad part is it wasn't. They fire him, they fire him. It just means his lack of tact will carry over to some other job. Keep him and punish him and retrain him means someone is keeping an eye on him and hopefully he has learned a valuable lesson when dealing with the public in the future.

[FRPLG]

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...tml#post539842

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...tml#post539842

I didn't look at this video but if it's the one with the meter maid officer who yells at the skate boarders and jacks the kid up. He needed to be fired. Nothing else said. Well, except for the law suite I would have for the officer.

[SBXVII]

Three in a row. Just keep in mind. No matter where you live or where you work their are assholes. I like to think the assholes are the 1% in any given situation. Yes you will find bad cops, but for every on bad cop there is a whole department of good ones.

It would be unfair to say everyone on message boards are assholes when it's probably only 1% who are that cause problems.

Just keep in mind.....an officer has a job to do. If he doesn't do his job the community gets mad, people get hurt and he gets fired. He or she has a lot of stress to deal with everyday. The biggest issue being will he or she make it home to their wife/husband and kids. At any given moment that can be taken away from them:

Police & Law Enforcement - Officer.com Police News, Forums, Links and More for Police Officers, Law Enforcement, Corrections, Sheriffs and More

go halfway down and look at "officer down in the line of duty" and look at the officers who will not be saying good night to their loved ones anymore.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Three in a row. Just keep in mind. No matter where you live or where you work their are assholes. I like to think the assholes are the 1% in any given situation. Yes you will find bad cops, but for every on bad cop there is a whole department of good ones.

It would be unfair to say everyone on message boards are assholes when it's probably only 1% who are that cause problems.

Just keep in mind.....an officer has a job to do. If he doesn't do his job the community gets mad, people get hurt and he gets fired. He or she has a lot of stress to deal with everyday. The biggest issue being will he or she make it home to their wife/husband and kids. At any given moment that can be taken away from them:

Police & Law Enforcement - Officer.com Police News, Forums, Links and More for Police Officers, Law Enforcement, Corrections, Sheriffs and More

go halfway down and look at "officer down in the line of duty" and look at the officers who will not be saying good night to their loved ones anymore.

Well put

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I always wondered what would happen if I had to rush to get the hospital without a police escort. Anyway Moats thinks the cop might have had a hint of racial pretense. I honestly disagree, instead I propose that the guy just seems like an overall jerk but thats just my opinion. Anyway ESPN has the whole thing on tape.

Police Chief On Incident Involving Moats - ESPN Video - ESPN

So what do you guys think?

First off, the cop needs to get fired. I'm not sure if it was in that article or another one but he pulled out his gun on the wife when she got out of the car and started for the hospital door. If 4 people get out of a car in tears doesn't it make sense that there may some legitimacy to their story. Hell, even escort the driver into the hospital to confirm the story but to detain him and threaten him with jail and say 'I don't care' when he said that his mother in law is dying is just inexcusable.

As for the racial undertones, I'm certainly not going to dismiss it and would lean towards he wasn't given any benefit of the doubt based on that factor. I just don't want to see Jesse and Rev. Al holding a press conference on the hospital lawn.