a few positives

Winskins · 09-19-2004, 11:51 PM

I know after a heck of a loss like this we are all a little gloomy. I just wanted to share a couple positives from an overall negative game:

-- The Redskins' run defense allowed only 62 yards rushing. In two games, the run defense is averaging just 46 yards per game.

-- The Redskins out-gained the Giants in offensive yards by 322 to 277 and had 20 first downs to the Giants 15.

-- Wide receiver Laveranues Coles caught nine passes for 100 yards.

The fact that we had more yards and first downs really strikes me. This game was handed to us, but we just gave it away (I knoe everyone has been saying this).

A final note to remember: Greatness isn't never falling, it's getting backup after you fall

JWsleep · 09-20-2004, 12:16 AM

QB play is the big question mark. This offense can gain yards if it is executed properly!

SUNRA · 09-20-2004, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

QB play is the big question mark. This offense can gain yards if it is executed properly!

What I hoped wouldn't happen has happened. The Giants have exposed our weakness on week 2. You know it and I know it. The QB position is the weakest link on this team and I don't know what our options are for Monday Night. The coaching staff has to give Ramsey 2 options when there is a play action pass. Find your primary receiver. If he hasn't separated from the defender, throw the ball out of bounds. We don't want to put Hasselbeck in the middle of the game after Ramsey has thrown 3 interceptions in a Dallas game. That's desperation in week 3. The first interception was so poorly executed that I don't see how Brunell with his experience could have thrown it into the traffic with that many blue Jjerseys in the vicinity.

1. Sit Ramsey down.
2. Lay down what the Redskins expect for him to do against Dallas.
3. Under no circumstances are you to call an audible. (Ramsey)
4. No receivers open, the ball doesn't leave your hands.
5. If you don't follow these instructions you will not throw another ball as a Redskin.

Defensewins · 09-20-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

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1. Sit Ramsey down.
2. Lay down what the Redskins expect for him to do against Dallas.
3. Under no circumstances are you to call an audible. (Ramsey)
4. No receivers open, the ball doesn't leave your hands.
5. If you don't follow these instructions you will not throw another ball as a Redskin....

I agree with you except your #4. He should be told, "if no receiver is open throw an incompletion. Do not hold the ball past 5-6 seconds. Do not take a sack. Do not throw a ball into coverage"

SUNRA · 09-20-2004, 10:34 AM

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I agree with you except your #4. He should be told, "if no receiver is open throw an incompletion. Do not hold the ball past 5-6 seconds. Do not take a sack. Do not throw a ball into coverage"[/QUOTE

That was my original suggestion. But I tell you if this guy throws another interception to a sorry CB like the Giants had yesterday it might be safer to just fall down!

Defensewins · 09-20-2004, 10:40 AM

[QUOTE=SUNRA]

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I agree with you except your #4. He should be told, "if no receiver is open throw an incompletion. Do not hold the ball past 5-6 seconds. Do not take a sack. Do not throw a ball into coverage"[/QUOTE

That was my original suggestion. But I tell you if this guy throws another interception to a sorry CB like the Giants had yesterday it might be safer to just fall down!

LOL

illdefined · 09-20-2004, 12:19 AM

as much as i want to cling on the performance of our defense thus far, we still havent gotten tested on a premium offense...

JWsleep · 09-20-2004, 12:21 AM

True. But we will next week. The roids can move the ball.

Also, Daniels went down. Any report of his status?

SUNRA · 09-20-2004, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

True. But we will next week. The roids can move the ball.

Also, Daniels went down. Any report of his status?

I really don't think Dallas is a premium offense with Testerverde turning the ball 2 times like Brunell did. Our running game is much better than theirs. We put Taylor in there assisting the CB's on Keyshawn and Antonio Bryant and that's their offense. We have a lot of debt on our team on defense and should be able to contain Eddie George. Gibbs must play Ramsey conservatively. Ground attacks and short screen passes will beat this team. No trick plays until we have continued to move the ball affectively.

Winskins · 09-20-2004, 01:42 AM

To win, you have to beat the man in front of you, the scoreboard is just for spectators. The Giants didn't beat us today; we beat ourselves. So don't get too down, because we beat ourselves once now, but I believe our team will work together. People who work together win together, whether it be against complex football defenses, or the problems of modern society. I plan to see a football team with a hell of a lot of heart next week, because these players have seen that battles are won mostly in the hearts of men. I want to see Dallas get rocked and so does everyone in this city and everyone on the Skins. Let's have some faith people!

That Guy · 09-20-2004, 01:43 AM

tiki et al moved it very well on philly, they got some legit players on O, and we gave them plent of time to throw...

also positive, NY was 1/13 on 3rd downs, that's impressive. No one gave up, and indeed, we were in it till the last 2 minutes...

morton did well today, and overall ST looked better...

also, garner (who had 29 total yards on us) had 99 yards on the seahawks D, so our run D looks legit.

skinsfanthru&thru · 09-20-2004, 02:09 AM

i agree that the defense has been a bright spot for our team for 2 consecutive weeks now(especially peirce,springs and washington), which I don't remember happening in while, and morton did a good job of finding holes on a couple of his multiple kickoff returns.

the only other positive way I can look at all this is that after dallas's win and the eagles loss tonight, every team in the division will be 1-1. that's pretty pathetic but after todays perfomance by the offense I'm willing to grasp at any silver lining that I can.

ChounsMan · 09-20-2004, 09:38 AM

Our inability to effectively throw the football down field allowed the G-Men's D to stack the line & stuff Portis. I know it's only week 2, but if we can not make plays with the passing game & be effective, we are going to punish the running game. Portis is the real deal, but he needs help from the passing game to set it up.

Brunell looked fine until he went down. He was not hurting us to badly, Ramsey on the otherhand, played terrible & that was a big reason we were not able to comeback.

The G-Men handed us the game in the entire second half, but we never got rolling & they just played not to loss & thus afforded them the victory

The Skins need to bouce back next week & played smart football.

That Guy · 09-20-2004, 01:35 PM

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Brunell looked fine until he went down. He was not hurting us to badly, Ramsey on the otherhand, played terrible & that was a big reason we were not able to comeback.

again, brunell didn't move the ball and played us into a 20-7 deficit... ramsey definately didn't win it for us, but he really wasn't any worse either...

skinsfanthru&thru · 09-21-2004, 02:06 PM

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again, brunell didn't move the ball and played us into a 20-7 deficit... ramsey definately didn't win it for us, but he really wasn't any worse either...

whats with all the blame going on Brunnel? the biggest snafu from our team before ramsey came in was portis fumbling twice. I respect u trying to argue for ramsey but I still don't understand how u could say that 3 turnovers in the REDZONE isn't worse than brunnel's 2 turnovers. I am willing to bet if the turnovers were reversed with brunnel commiting the 3 redzone turnovers, u'd be crying for his head

09-19-2004, 11:51 PM	#1
Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 40 Posts: 282	a few positives I know after a heck of a loss like this we are all a little gloomy. I just wanted to share a couple positives from an overall negative game: -- The Redskins' run defense allowed only 62 yards rushing. In two games, the run defense is averaging just 46 yards per game. -- The Redskins out-gained the Giants in offensive yards by 322 to 277 and had 20 first downs to the Giants 15. -- Wide receiver Laveranues Coles caught nine passes for 100 yards. The fact that we had more yards and first downs really strikes me. This game was handed to us, but we just gave it away (I knoe everyone has been saying this). A final note to remember: Greatness isn't never falling, it's getting backup after you fall __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

09-20-2004, 12:16 AM	#2
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	QB play is the big question mark. This offense can gain yards if it is executed properly! __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-20-2004, 10:34 AM	#5
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	[QUOTE=Defensewins]I agree with you except your #4. He should be told, "if no receiver is open throw an incompletion. Do not hold the ball past 5-6 seconds. Do not take a sack. Do not throw a ball into coverage"[/QUOTE That was my original suggestion. But I tell you if this guy throws another interception to a sorry CB like the Giants had yesterday it might be safer to just fall down! __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

09-20-2004, 12:21 AM	#8
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	True. But we will next week. The roids can move the ball. Also, Daniels went down. Any report of his status? __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-20-2004, 01:42 AM	#10
Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 40 Posts: 282	To win, you have to beat the man in front of you, the scoreboard is just for spectators. The Giants didn't beat us today; we beat ourselves. So don't get too down, because we beat ourselves once now, but I believe our team will work together. People who work together win together, whether it be against complex football defenses, or the problems of modern society. I plan to see a football team with a hell of a lot of heart next week, because these players have seen that battles are won mostly in the hearts of men. I want to see Dallas get rocked and so does everyone in this city and everyone on the Skins. Let's have some faith people! __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

09-20-2004, 12:19 AM	#7
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	as much as i want to cling on the performance of our defense thus far, we still havent gotten tested on a premium offense...

09-20-2004, 01:43 AM	#11
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	tiki et al moved it very well on philly, they got some legit players on O, and we gave them plent of time to throw... also positive, NY was 1/13 on 3rd downs, that's impressive. No one gave up, and indeed, we were in it till the last 2 minutes... morton did well today, and overall ST looked better... also, garner (who had 29 total yards on us) had 99 yards on the seahawks D, so our run D looks legit.

09-20-2004, 02:09 AM	#12
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	i agree that the defense has been a bright spot for our team for 2 consecutive weeks now(especially peirce,springs and washington), which I don't remember happening in while, and morton did a good job of finding holes on a couple of his multiple kickoff returns. the only other positive way I can look at all this is that after dallas's win and the eagles loss tonight, every team in the division will be 1-1. that's pretty pathetic but after todays perfomance by the offense I'm willing to grasp at any silver lining that I can.

09-20-2004, 09:38 AM	#13
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 53 Posts: 312	Our inability to effectively throw the football down field allowed the G-Men's D to stack the line & stuff Portis. I know it's only week 2, but if we can not make plays with the passing game & be effective, we are going to punish the running game. Portis is the real deal, but he needs help from the passing game to set it up. Brunell looked fine until he went down. He was not hurting us to badly, Ramsey on the otherhand, played terrible & that was a big reason we were not able to comeback. The G-Men handed us the game in the entire second half, but we never got rolling & they just played not to loss & thus afforded them the victory The Skins need to bouce back next week & played smart football. __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

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