National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control?

GTripp0012 · 04-30-2009, 04:27 PM

A high-impact NFC East draft column - NFC East - ESPN

Usually, I'm not one to publicly harp on what the national media thinks. Admittedly, privately, I can be very critical of poorly constructed opinions. But, I think there's a double standard going on.

Jeremy Maclin was a player both teams were targeting, and the Eagles were able to use information they tracked down about teams, potentially the Giants, trading up to 20 to get Maclin, so they were able to get up to 19.

Here's what I don't understand: either you like the Maclin move if you don't. If you think he was a top ten player, then the Eagles draft looks great. A top ten player and a first round RB on the first day is a great haul indeed -- but then what do you say about the Giants?

If you think Maclin was a top player, then logic dicatates that the Giants lost out at a chance at an elite player at a need position because they weren't willing to give up a third round pick instead of a fourth, essentially, to get up to pick 18 or so. And no matter how you look at it, the Giants ended up missing on the 2nd WR on their board for their 4th or 5th. That's a really big downgrade no matter what position they drafted at. When it's a position with a 40% first round washout rate, that's really, really bad.

And all of that follows from the logic that Maclin is going to be a great player. In reality, I think he was a very overvalued receiver who will be stuck behind much better players in Philly. I have no problem tipping my cap to two teams who appear to have a great haul in the second round, but after you mix up the first round as the Giants, and debatably the Eagles did, your draft doesn't get an A+. Sorry, that's not how it works.

The Redskins were the only team to get an immediate impact player in this draft (well, LeSean McCoy, probably). And I think that's going largely unnoticed because of, well, because of I'm not really sure.

End rant.

KingRaloIV · 04-30-2009, 04:34 PM

They have a different rating system for the Redskins! Because Synder spends alot of his money on players and his football team.

skins89moss · 05-01-2009, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KingRaloIV

They have a different rating system for the Redskins! Because Synder spends alot of his money on players and his football team.

ESPN has 1 annoucer who was a Redskins O-Line Mark Schelerath (aka Stink)
has nothing ever nice to say about the Redskins. He is always bashing the Redskins front office. He is a Hater just listen to him when the Skins come up.

redsk1 · 04-30-2009, 04:37 PM

Both had a good draft.

Philly: Maclin, McCoy (who is going to be good), Harris (all acc corner)

NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who will also be a solid to very good pro), Beatty (an OL 6'6" who slipped, and Barden (6'6" WR who scored a crapload of TD's in college)

Both have multiple impact and role players. The Eagles also got return specialist Ellis Hobbs in a trade, not bad.

So, I can understand the love a little. We got 1 impact player and a hopeful.

DoggDayAfternoon · 05-04-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

Both had a good draft.

Philly: Maclin, McCoy (who is going to be good), Harris (all acc corner)

NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who will also be a solid to very good pro), Beatty (an OL 6'6" who slipped, and Barden (6'6" WR who scored a crapload of TD's in college)

Both have multiple impact and role players. The Eagles also got return specialist Ellis Hobbs in a trade, not bad.

So, I can understand the love a little. We got 1 impact player and a hopeful.

Who's the hopeful?

Schneed10 · 04-30-2009, 04:42 PM

And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

MTK · 04-30-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

Exactly.

The real grade comes 2-3 years down the road.

53Fan · 04-30-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

There it is. It's all speculation at this point.

Lotus · 04-30-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

Sanity.

Giantone · 04-30-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

Folks, we have a winner!

TheSmurfs22 · 05-04-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field.

~~~~~~~
So true! Heath Shuler anyone?!

Lotus · 05-04-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSmurfs22

~~~~~~~
So true! Heath Shuler anyone?!

Heath Shuler was such a great quarterback that they named a candy bar after him.

53Fan · 05-04-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Heath Shuler was such a great quarterback that they named a candy bar after him.

There's a Shuler bar? Never heard of it.

Lotus · 05-04-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

There's a Shuler bar? Never heard of it.

Yes. It is stuffed with nuts and has a marshmallow arm.

redsk1 · 04-30-2009, 04:57 PM

Yeah it is what it is. It's a educated guess.

04-30-2009, 04:27 PM	#1
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control? A high-impact NFC East draft column - NFC East - ESPN Usually, I'm not one to publicly harp on what the national media thinks. Admittedly, privately, I can be very critical of poorly constructed opinions. But, I think there's a double standard going on. Jeremy Maclin was a player both teams were targeting, and the Eagles were able to use information they tracked down about teams, potentially the Giants, trading up to 20 to get Maclin, so they were able to get up to 19. Here's what I don't understand: either you like the Maclin move if you don't. If you think he was a top ten player, then the Eagles draft looks great. A top ten player and a first round RB on the first day is a great haul indeed -- but then what do you say about the Giants? If you think Maclin was a top player, then logic dicatates that the Giants lost out at a chance at an elite player at a need position because they weren't willing to give up a third round pick instead of a fourth, essentially, to get up to pick 18 or so. And no matter how you look at it, the Giants ended up missing on the 2nd WR on their board for their 4th or 5th. That's a really big downgrade no matter what position they drafted at. When it's a position with a 40% first round washout rate, that's really, really bad. And all of that follows from the logic that Maclin is going to be a great player. In reality, I think he was a very overvalued receiver who will be stuck behind much better players in Philly. I have no problem tipping my cap to two teams who appear to have a great haul in the second round, but after you mix up the first round as the Giants, and debatably the Eagles did, your draft doesn't get an A+. Sorry, that's not how it works. The Redskins were the only team to get an immediate impact player in this draft (well, LeSean McCoy, probably). And I think that's going largely unnoticed because of, well, because of I'm not really sure. End rant. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-30-2009, 04:34 PM	#2
KingRaloIV Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 31	Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control? They have a different rating system for the Redskins! Because Synder spends alot of his money on players and his football team.

04-30-2009, 04:37 PM	#4
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control? Both had a good draft. Philly: Maclin, McCoy (who is going to be good), Harris (all acc corner) NYG: Nicks, Sintim (who will also be a solid to very good pro), Beatty (an OL 6'6" who slipped, and Barden (6'6" WR who scored a crapload of TD's in college) Both have multiple impact and role players. The Eagles also got return specialist Ellis Hobbs in a trade, not bad. So, I can understand the love a little. We got 1 impact player and a hopeful.

04-30-2009, 04:42 PM	#6
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,427	Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control? And after all that said, draft evaluations don't amount to a hill of beans at this point. Let's see how it plays out on the field. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

04-30-2009, 04:57 PM	#15
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: National love for Giants, Eagles' drafts out of control? Yeah it is what it is. It's a educated guess.

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