Jason Campbell gets his mind right for the season..

[Paintrain]

This is about the most honest and forthcoming I've heard Campbell speak and I LOVE IT! Put it out there JC and make it happen..

Campbell confident he can prove himself to be right man for the job

A couple of my favorite quotes:
-You have to look at it as sport, a business, a profession and understand there is competition all the time and nothing is in stone. No guarantees. But you still get mad deep inside. And how you handle that helps determine if you are going to make your career successful.

-But I know I have to have a big year and have them come to the table or get more options for myself. You know, this is a big year for me, but it's a big year for the Redskins as a whole, as a group from top to bottom.

This one won't be popular but I love his honesty-
There are still double-standards in this league for African-American quarterbacks. You have to be great to be good. And others who are half as good are considered great. That is not an excuse, that is a fact. I don't make excuses. I was raised to understand it is not always about you. You have to give respect to get respect.

A little over 30 days til camp and I can't wait.

[53Fan]

It really is unbelievable how much blame Jason takes for our record the last 3 years when he has only played 16 games in a season once. Not to mention constant change in offensive systems, receivers, and the offensive line. Not exactly the kind of enviroment for a young QB to flourish in. Can you imagine having to do your job differently every year, and having to depend on constantly changing personell who are also learning a new system? Then have to be constantly compared to the best in the business who work in the same offensive system every year? Considering the circumstances, I find it hard to put all the blame on JC. There is plenty of blame to go around for our lack of offensive success the last few years. I'm not taking up for JC, he needs to step up this year. But how can anyone judge how good he is with the confusing mess he's dealt with since he's been here?

[rbanerjee23]

exactamundo...peyton manning is bitching about change after 10 years and jay cutler got mad because the denver gm discussed a remote possibility of a trade involving him. Say what you want about campbell but he has been 110% class about both those situations year in and year out as the real problem behind the redskins (vinny cerrato) just keeps throwing him under the bus. His numbers are not great but they are not particularly bad (JC has thrown 23 interceptions in 36 games, Brett favre goes through that in about 16 games) I sincerely believe that JC has the potential and ability to be a top 5 quarterback with an offensive line thats not about to enter a retirement home, and a WR corps with a meaningful receiver above 6 feet

edit* WR corps 'without' a meaningful receiver above 6 feet

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

exactamundo...peyton manning is bitching about change after 10 years and jay cutler got mad because the denver gm discussed a remote possibility of a trade involving him. Say what you want about campbell but he has been 110% class about both those situations year in and year out as the real problem behind the redskins (vinny cerrato) just keeps throwing him under the bus. His numbers are not great but they are not particularly bad (JC has thrown 23 interceptions in 36 games, Brett favre goes through that in about 16 games) I sincerely believe that JC has the potential and ability to be a top 5 quarterback with an offensive line thats not about to enter a retirement home, and a WR corps with a meaningful receiver above 6 feet.

Agreed. Let's give him something to work with, and not have him have to think about the plays because he had to learn a completely different system, AGAIN, and see how he does. People tend to forget that the rest of the offense has to learn the system too, and if they don't learn it correctly, Jason's screwed.

[Lotus]

Thanks for the fine article on JC, Paintrain.

Every time I hear from JC I become more and more impressed by his classiness and attitude. I am looking forward to a big year from him, although certainly I am fueled by homer optimism.

As for the part about African-American quarterbacks, I think JC is right on. Sad to say, it seems that there is still a double-standard regarding qb's and race. McNabb seems like the poster child for this reality. Notice that historically there are relatively few African-American starters at qb compared to other positions and, when an African-American does start, he is usually a magnet for criticism. The qb position is one of many examples that we still have not realized racial equality in this country, although we do seem to be moving in that direction.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Thanks for the fine article on JC, Paintrain.

Every time I hear from JC I become more and more impressed by his classiness and attitude. I am looking forward to a big year from him, although certainly I am fueled by homer optimism.

As for the part about African-American quarterbacks, I think JC is right on. Sad to say, it seems that there is still a double-standard regarding qb's and race. McNabb seems like the poster child for this reality. Notice that historically there are relatively few African-American starters at qb compared to other positions and, when an African-American does start, he is usually a magnet for criticism. The qb position is one of many examples that we still have not realized racial equality in this country, although we do seem to be moving in that direction.

Oh give me a break dude. Racial equality? Blacks make up over 80% of the NFL while only 14% of the total US population. Once an athlete leaves the PC confines of the pathetic American university system it is all about getting the job done in the private sector(NFL). Your whole equality thing is basically saying you want more black qbs just for the sake of having black qbs. That isn't going to happen in the private sector where the bottom line is money and winning and the PC racial quota is already heavily askewed towards minorities. I mean what, you aren't going to be happy til 80% of NFL qbs are black? I mean come on. Do you know how many white kids that make all state in HS football at the skilled positions get stuck playing for Div II schools just for the fact they are white and hearing lame ass excuses like "they don't have loose hips", etc. Enough already!!!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Oh give me a break dude. Racial equality? Blacks make up over 80% of the NFL while only 14% of the total US population. Once an athlete leaves the PC confines of the pathetic American university system it is all about getting the job done in the private sector(NFL). Your whole equality thing is basically saying you want more black qbs just for the sake of having black qbs. That isn't going to happen in the private sector where the bottom line is money and winning and the PC racial quota is already heavily askewed towards minorities. I mean what, you aren't going to be happy til 80% of NFL qbs are black? I mean come on. Do you know how many white kids that make all state in HS football at the skilled positions get stuck playing for Div II schools just for the fact they are white and hearing lame ass excuses like "they don't have loose hips", etc. Enough already!!!!

No, I don't want more African-American qb's just to have them there. I was simply pointing out the racial disparities at the qb position in the NFL. You said nothing to dispel my point.

As for your second point, please present evidence that even one white kid had to play Div II simply because he was white.

[53Fan]

I also think it's good that JC is taking more of a leadership role and is becoming more vocal. He needs to hold his offensive team mates accountable, why should he take all the blame. If they run a wrong route or blow a blocking assignment he needs to ask them what happened there and tell them to correct it. If they don't know why it happened, they shouldn't be on the field until they figure it out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I also think it's good that JC is taking more of a leadership role and is becoming more vocal. He needs to hold his offensive team mates accountable, why should he take all the blame. If they run a wrong route or blow a blocking assignment he needs to ask them what happened there and tell them to correct it. If they don't know why it happened, they shouldn't be on the field until they figure it out.

Right on.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I also think it's good that JC is taking more of a leadership role and is becoming more vocal. He needs to hold his offensive team mates accountable, why should he take all the blame. If they run a wrong route or blow a blocking assignment he needs to ask them what happened there and tell them to correct it. If they don't know why it happened, they shouldn't be on the field until they figure it out.

Yes I reckon we probably see more of that this year...but maybe it won't need to be said/done more than a handful of times. At this point I feel like the entire roster, offense and defense, ought to hold JC in the highest regard. Not only for his class but also for things like his toughness and perseverance. I guess what I'm saying is his teammates ought to be inspired to leave everything on the field this year...make this one count cuz your QB is at stake...the same guy who took an awful beating in the 2nd half of last year when his line became swiss cheese but never bitched and moaned and always went back under center.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

This one won't be popular but I love his honesty-
There are still double-standards in this league for African-American quarterbacks. You have to be great to be good. And others who are half as good are considered great. That is not an excuse, that is a fact. I don't make excuses. I was raised to understand it is not always about you. You have to give respect to get respect.

A little over 30 days til camp and I can't wait.

You're right it isn't popular at least with me. Seriously why did he have to play the race card? It's a simple deal, you play like 6-2 you get love from the fan base you go 2-6 and you get the opposite. It has nothing to do with race.

Personally I could care less what color the QB is or any other player for that matter. I judge every player the same way. You play hard you get points, you conduct yourself as a decent human being you get points, you play well you get mucho points. If race was an issue with me I wouldn't watch football considering about 75% of the league consist of black players.

The time that Jason has gotten to develop is something that other QB's around the league can only dream of be it black, white, or latino. Personally I love the way he's handled himself this offseason but come on.

Originally Posted by Lotus

As for the part about African-American quarterbacks, I think JC is right on. Sad to say, it seems that there is still a double-standard regarding qb's and race. McNabb seems like the poster child for this reality. Notice that historically there are relatively few African-American starters at qb compared to other positions and, when an African-American does start, he is usually a magnet for criticism. The qb position is one of many examples that we still have not realized racial equality in this country, although we do seem to be moving in that direction.

McNabb plays in Philly, the city that booed Santa Clause, it shouldn't be a surprise that he gets treated the way he does. If anything I'd say they're holding back.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You're right it isn't popular at least with me. Seriously why did he have to play the race card? It's a simple deal, you play like 6-2 you get love from the fan base you go 2-6 and you get the opposite. It has nothing to do with race.

Personally I could care less what color the QB is or any other player for that matter. I judge every player the same way. You play hard you get points, you conduct yourself as a decent human being you get points, you play well you get mucho points. If race was an issue with me I wouldn't watch football considering about 75% of the league consist of black players.

The time that Jason has gotten to develop is something that other QB's around the league can only dream of be it black, white, or latino. Personally I love the way he's handled himself this offseason but come on.



McNabb plays in Philly, the city that booed Santa Clause, it shouldn't be a surprise that he gets treated the way he does. If anything I'd say they're holding back.

Right on. I was a little put off by what JC was saying regarding race. It took away from all the other good things he said.

It also took away from the real point of this thread; JC maturating. Our fault for reading it, or his fault for saying it?

McNabb played his first complete season last year since 2003. That's why he sometimes gets blown off as not a top tier QB. It’s not because he's African American. Another comparison I think of is pitchers in baseball. There are a much higher percentage of white pitchers then comparable to the makeup of the other positions in baseball. How many white running backs are there? Just seems like certain skill sets suite certain races differently.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Right on. I was a little put off by what JC was saying regarding race. It took away from all the other good things he said.

It also took away from the real point of this thread; JC maturating. Our fault for reading it, or his fault for saying it?

McNabb played his first complete season last year since 2003. That's why he sometimes gets blown off as not a top tier QB. It’s not because he's African American. Another comparison I think of is pitchers in baseball. There are a much higher percentage of white pitchers then comparable to the makeup of the other positions in baseball. How many white running backs are there? Just seems like certain skill sets suite certain races differently.

What you said is one of the most damning statements there is about black QB. The reasoning there were fewer black QB in the league years ago was because they lacked the 'mental acuity to handle the position'. They were better suited to just run and jump. While that's not spoken in league circles, there is that stigma that lingers, especially when the whispers come out about 'slow to grasp the offense' or 'trouble reading defenses'.

The other thing that gets overlooked is the longevity of average black QB to average white QB. For every Charlie Batch (mid round career backup), there are 3 Luke McCowns. For every Byron Leftwich (former 1st rounder that didn't stick as a starter), there are 3-4 Joey Harringtons or Patrick Ramseys. The standards are different, like it or not.

Sorry for derailing the thread but it's an issue that gets pooh poohed too much by people fooling themselves into thinking that sports are colorblind.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What you said is one of the most damning statements there is about black QB. The reasoning there were fewer black QB in the league years ago was because they lacked the 'mental acuity to handle the position'. They were better suited to just run and jump. While that's not spoken in league circles, there is that stigma that lingers, especially when the whispers come out about 'slow to grasp the offense' or 'trouble reading defenses'.

The other thing that gets overlooked is the longevity of average black QB to average white QB. For every Charlie Batch (mid round career backup), there are 3 Luke McCowns. For every Byron Leftwich (former 1st rounder that didn't stick as a starter), there are 3-4 Joey Harringtons or Patrick Ramseys. The standards are different, like it or not.

Sorry for derailing the thread but it's an issue that gets pooh poohed too much by people fooling themselves into thinking that sports are colorblind.

I agree that there is that stigma left over from the old days, but I think it’s quickly put to rest when a qb whatever color makes the correct read, or obviously knows his play book. And look at college. There are just flat out less black qb's in D1 college, so of course there will be less in the NFL. Maybe it stems from college, I dont know.

And think about baseball why are there more white pitchers percentage wise to the makeup of the rest of the league. Maybe white people just have better arm strength, accuracy, or touch for some reason. It’s a touchy subject so probably isn’t that well studied.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I agree that there is that stigma left over from the old days, but I think it’s quickly put to rest when a qb whatever color makes the correct read, or obviously knows his play book. And look at college. There are just flat out less black qb's in D1 college, so of course there will be less in the NFL. Maybe it stems from college, I dont know.

And think about baseball why are there more white pitchers percentage wise to the makeup of the rest of the league. Maybe white people just have better arm strength, accuracy, or touch for some reason. It’s a touchy subject so probably isn’t that well studied.

You do realize that your statement is inherently racist, right? So was your prior statement about different positions suiting different races. Some years ago Jimmy the Greek was fired for making a very similar statement on air.

Look, I'm as white as white gets, so I have no axe of my own to grind here. But judging the ability of a person to play a certain position because of the color of their skin is racism.

With your statements you have proven JC to be correct: in the eyes of some people there is a racial double standard regarding the quarterback position.