NFL Network: 32 in 32 Redskins

[stu_nna]

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Offseason spotlight: What does second season hold for Zorn?

[53Fan]

I really like the last paragraph by Dukes.

[ethat001]

That's sad, they have Philip Daniels listed as a "loss" for the year in the video, along with Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs. No one caught that at all at the studio?? Come on guys - they've got to some research, instead of riding Dallas every year.

Hope the big fella does well for us for one more year!

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by ethat001

That's sad, they have Philip Daniels listed as a "loss" for the year in the video, along with Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs. No one caught that at all at the studio?? Come on guys - they've got to some research, instead of riding Dallas every year.

Hope the big fella does well for us for one more year!

yeah i saw that too, pretty funny

[skinsfaninok]

I agree with 17 we are an average at best team unless JC becomes McNabb overnight... 9 wins should be a realistic goal this year. Phi, Ny and Dal are all better right now.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I agree with 17 we are an average at best team unless JC becomes McNabb overnight... 9 wins should be a realistic goal this year. Phi, Ny and Dal are all better right now.

I agree with you. I don't see the drastic improvement in our team overall to make us competitive we our NFC E foes.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I agree with you. I don't see the drastic improvement in our team overall to make us competitive we our NFC E foes.

were we not competitive with the east last season ? we lost both to the g-men, split with dallas and swept the eagles, that 3 wins and 3 losses, thats competitive.
i would think our offense will be improved this year because of a better o-line, better qb play and more help at the wr position do to this being the second year in the system. i would also think our defense will be improved this year, maybe not in the overall rankings, but in different areas such as qb pressure, sacks and turnovers. couple an already improved offense with a defense that gives our offense more opportunities to score and you have the makings of a better team, which should equall more wins. two more wins should put the skins in the playoffs.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

were we not competitive with the east last season ? we lost both to the g-men, split with dallas and swept the eagles, that 3 wins and 3 losses, thats competitive.
i would think our offense will be improved this year because of a better o-line, better qb play and more help at the wr position do to this being the second year in the system. i would also think our defense will be improved this year, maybe not in the overall rankings, but in different areas such as qb pressure, sacks and turnovers. couple an already improved offense with a defense that gives our offense more opportunities to score and you have the makings of a better team, which should equall more wins. two more wins should put the skins in the playoffs.

Yes, we were competitive in the division last year. The four teams in the division are actually pretty close in terms of talent and preparation. The problem is that we lost to juggernauts like the Bengals.

And yes, 2 more wins puts us at 10-6, which would have made the playoffs last year.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes, we were competitive in the division last year. The four teams in the division are actually pretty close in terms of talent and preparation. The problem is that we lost to juggernauts like the Bengals.

And yes, 2 more wins puts us at 10-6, which would have made the playoffs last year.

dont forget the winless rams and the crappy 49ers. i agree we need improvemnt. i just feel like the skins will get the improvement they need and we will see a better team this season.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I agree with 17 we are an average at best team unless JC becomes McNabb overnight... 9 wins should be a realistic goal this year. Phi, Ny and Dal are all better right now.

How can you easily dismiss our team as "average at best" and claim that all the other teams in the conference are automatically better? Right now if I were to give you a pessimistic outcome I would tell you that NYG has the best chance of taking the conference (if they had a true #1 receiver to replace Burress I would consider them a SB contender); Philly can get to the playoffs as long as Westbrook is healthy (and McNabb's too, even though he hasn't been injured he'll be 33 this season) and their young wideouts help their offense; finally I would put us and Dallas as the question marks who could make it to the playoffs, depending on certain outcomes (WAS: AH makes the defense elite, our healthy/somewhat younger line holds up, Campbell plays well all season; DAL: Roy Williams lives up to the hype/price, Wade Phillips doesn't lose control of the team, Romo doesn't choke).

Needless to say, there is a lot of offseason to go and right now it is too early to make any type of predictions. At least wait until training camp to dismiss our teams chances.

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I agree with you. I don't see the drastic improvement in our team overall to make us competitive we our NFC E foes.

What would you consider a drastic improvement? I mean getting Haynesworth, Orakpo, and Dockery are pretty drastic improvements. Along with the fact that the entire team will be going into a second year under the same coaching regime for the first time in a long time.

[GMScud]

It's a valid ranking I think, to be 17. We made some nice improvements, but mostly on a defense that was already 4th overall, 6th in scoring. Adding Dockery and few other band-aids on the O-line isn't going to take us to the next level. We need what we already have offensively to improve - JC, the redshirt pass catchers (Thomas, Kelly, Davis), and the second year in the WCO. Otherwise, we'll be a middle of the road team again.

[DCtoAZ]

17 seems pretty fair .. I still believe that somehow someway our team will finally "click" or "gel" and get this thing movin' .. 10-6 and were tough as nails heading into the playoffs !

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by GMScud

It's a valid ranking I think, to be 17. We made some nice improvements, but mostly on a defense that was already 4th overall, 6th in scoring. Adding Dockery and few other band-aids on the O-line isn't going to take us to the next level. We need what we already have offensively to improve - JC, the redshirt pass catchers (Thomas, Kelly, Davis), and the second year in the WCO. Otherwise, we'll be a middle of the road team again.

That 4th ranking is not the important factor. Anywhere from 1 to 5 is something to hang your hat on. The improvement will come when we are able to get defensive turnovers, and give JC and Co. more chances to score. Not to mention the possibility for defensive touchdowns. 17 ranking is fair but we added great components to one of the most fundamentally sound defenses in the NFL. That is why we will move in to the upper half.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

That 4th ranking is not the important factor. Anywhere from 1 to 5 is something to hang your hat on. The improvement will come when we are able to get defensive turnovers, and give JC and Co. more chances to score. Not to mention the possibility for defensive touchdowns. 17 ranking is fair but we added great components to one of the most fundamentally sound defenses in the NFL. That is why we will move in to the upper half.

A fan who understands how the game is played. We had a nice defense last year but lacked turnovers. How can a team with such a good defense lose to the Rams, Bengals and 49ers? How because our defense could not make the big plays ( Ints for TD, FR for TD, Sacks FF, return for TD). Our defense is not on par with the Steelers, Ravens,Eagles( force turnovers) this year we need explosive plays which result in turnovers for short fields and defense TD's. This will greatly help our offense, you just wait and see.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I agree with 17 we are an average at best team unless JC becomes McNabb overnight... 9 wins should be a realistic goal this year. Phi, Ny and Dal are all better right now.

I disagree. Everyone is riding Philli's jock right now. Talking about how McNabb is healthy, how he has some weapons now, everyone has them listed as the #1 team to beat this yr or atleast everyone (media and mags) are listing Philli as #1. McNabb was healthy last yr and couldn't do anything. Their RB Westbrook is constantly getting injured each yr due to over use because they have no WR's. Yes they had one good WR Desean Jackson (rookie) last yr who avoids contact. Put a CB on him or Safety that likes to hit and he wiffs. Yes they picked up a WR, TE, and CB this yr. So simply because the Eagles picked up a new WR the team now has weapons? Look what happened to our WR's Kelly was injured prior to season but take a better look at Thomas. He was healthy and still barely was used. What makes everyone think one WR Maclin (rookie) will solve their problems and make them SB bound? Mark my words Maclin will have to adjust no different then all the other WR's that have ever come out. Give him two yrs. This yr may be Jackson's decent yr but he will need help no different then Moss needs help. Their TE Ingram (rookie), will have an adjustment period also. Cooley is one of the best and he even had trouble his first yr in the league learning all the routes, blocking, and speed of the game. Now if you want to talk about their ability next yr or the yr after then they might be a contender. They don't scare me. We beat the Eagles twice last yr. I see two more wins this yr.

Dallas, They lost 2 ILB; Burnett and Thomas, 2 Safeties; Davis and Williams, 1 DE Canty, 1 CB Henry (I'm not counting Pac-Man), and their best offensive weapon 1 WR Owens. If anyone thinks a bunch of rookies are going to come in and fill these gaps and make them a SB bound team is mistaken. Magazines have Dallas listed as #3 for the season. Ok they picked up 1 ILB Brooking, 1 DE Olshansky, and 1 SS Sensabaugh. If anything I would have picked Dallas to give the Giants a better run for their money over Philli.

Giants, The Giants had some key losses on offense 2 WR's Toomer and Burress and yet they made most of their non draft additions on defense? go figure. Besides the WR they lost 2 Safeties Butler and Knight, 1 PR McQuarters, and 1 RB Ward. Everything offensively was picked up in the draft 2 WR's, 2 CB's, 1 TE, and 1 RB. I have not listed all the additions for every team from the draft but the essential ones. I think the Giants will struggle with the WR issue. To be honest I see either the rest of the division catching up or the Giants falling off their pedistal.

So let me drink from the Skins cool aid water bucket. We have not lost any major key people. We have kept most of our players. We should have a better understanding of the offensive scheme Zorn is implimenting. We will have 2 WR's Thomas and Kelly who will be in their second yr and have a better understanding of the offense. In other words they will contribute more then last yr. Our TE Davis will be better for the same reasons and will leave us with 2 pass catching TE's. We brought in Dockery who will shore up the left side and Samuels will not have to worry about assisting the Guard position in his blocking duties. Our only question is the right side of our line. I think Williams will supprise, Heyer will be better, and have brought in Bridges. Our #4 defense will be a lot better with AH taking on some double teams, and Orakpo will be better help then Taylor was. Our secondary is a lot better then any of the other teams in our division and talk has been made that our WR corps is better also. Yet we are listed as last for this yrs division. I think the Skins will supprise. Just my drunkeness from the cool aid.