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07-08-2009, 11:29 PM | #1 |
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I think Rodney Harrison is a HOF saftey. But i also thought Monk was instant Hall of Fame material. Seeing less popular players have to wait I wonder if it takes away from being hall of fame, just like the pro bowl is now. Does off the field conduct (good, bad or inactive) count towards status as a great or a pioneer of the game? So my thought is does the Hall of Fame still hold the credibility that we give it or has it become a popularity contest? Should it? Also does the position you play decide your greatness or should it. Does a QB or LB have more rights to being a all time great over an O tackle, TE, or D tackle? Should it?
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To me, off the field conduct SHOULD count. Just like Rose isn't in the hall as well as McGwire. If you test positive, you should be out IMO. They all know the rules, and they take their chances trying to beat the system. We all know they cheat, but we accept it cause they all do it. Problem is, the old players didn't. They had enough respect for the game not to do it. But again, just my opinion.
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07-09-2009, 03:01 AM | #3 |
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They had no issue putting Michael Irvin in. He was a classless loudmouth showboat with legal issues involving crack and prostitutes. That said, he was a great player, and what he did on the field is what got him in. But a part of it is popularity as well. I don't think popularity should play a role, but as long as humans are voting, it inevitably always will. But overall the Hall of Fame is still a lofty, super highly respected thing.
I think off the field conduct should absolutely count towards your status as one of the greats and/or a pioneer of the game. The position you play shouldn't dictate your greatness, but flashy positions like WRs and QBs are always going to get more publicity than O-lineman, fullbacks, etc.
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Roids werent illegal (in baseball) when the ball were flying out of the park so IMO, McGuire didnt break any baseball rules so to me he could go in. |
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In all seriousness though a) baseball would be a bit hypocritical not letting these guys in because they know that, especially after the 1994, two things helped bring baseball back-Ripken and the long ball. The league office can't get on its high horse all it wants now but it knew what was happening with Bonds, McGwire, Sosa back then but why stop it when those 500 foot blasts were putting fans in the seats and more money in the owners' pockets? and b) what about a guy like Ferguson Jenkins, who broke the law by possessing and using cocaine? He's in the Hall of Fame. Is what he did ok because it wasn't steroids?
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Funny how MLB was not OK with gambling, but OK with players beefing up using substances.
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07-13-2009, 10:21 AM | #11 | |
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I do think there is a double standard when it comes to baseball and roids. When a baseball player (especially a high profile one) uses roids its almost a national scandal where the public demands they be banned for like but when an NFL player is caught (I think it was Shawn Merriman but I know it was a charger a few years ago) they get 2 weeks off, are back in time for the playoffs, and there is almost no public outcry. Its like the public expects football players to use and so when they get caught its expected. |
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no way he gets in. no one should be rewarded for dirty play. and whats a canidate?
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He absolutely changed the way the position was played and his point about Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, and Bob Sanders is very valid. And the Pro Bowl is ridiculous and shouldn't even be mentioned among retired players stats. I think he was a great player but not HOF great. Even if he hadn't been caught doping he shouldn't be in but since he was he shouldn't even be considered.
As for the position argument I think only kickers and punters have an argument. Ray Guy altered the game and gave his team a huge field position advantage every game. Mosley was a league MVP but is never even considered for HOF.
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